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"independently developed" This is a new claim and not one that will find many takers imho. "Apple has said they are not interested in licensing" This is far

by Steko 14y ago

"independently developed" This is a new claim and not one that will find many takers imho. "Apple has said they are not interested in licensing" This is far from the truth. They certainly offered licensing to Samsung. $30/device might sound like a lot but that was a starting point in a negotiation.

icarus127 14y ago
Do you think Samsung's 3G patents cost Apple as much as they want charge Samsung for rounded corners?
esolyt 14y ago
Samsung isn't the only Android manufacturer. It also isn't the only one being sued by Apple. One of the benefits of Android being open source and free software is that it encourages small players to start competing with giants by giving them a nice OS and the ability to tweak it. This is why we can have smartphones, tablets, netbooks, smartwatches, ski goggles, cameras running Android. All designed and produced by many different companies, from multinational giants to small Kickstarter startups. No worries though. Soon, every one of them will realize they can get sued for "text correction" and how naive they were to think that they can just build upon open source and free software to realize their goals. As a startup should you care? Absolutely not! You should simply develop for iOS only, using iMacs and Macbooks.
- da_n 14y ago
  If you don't like Apple Open WebOS and MeeGo are interesting open options, I hope these will gain traction. I have never been a fan of the whole Dalvik/JVM architecture on Android. The update mechanism has always been especially shitty as well, every single device seems to need massive amounts of driver tweaking and customisation making the whole point of Java and its high portability rather pointless.
  - kalleboo 14y ago
    > If you don't like Apple Open WebOS and MeeGo are interesting open options, I hope these will gain traction And if they gain traction, they will be sued by Apple.
    - fpgeek 14y ago
      And, unlike Android, neither Open WebOS nor MeeGo have a sponsor that would even consider trying to protect them. If you wanted to see either Open WebOS or MeeGo in the US (rather than China), Apple's lawsuits have effectively closed that door for the foreseeable future. No smartphone startup would be crazy enough to wade into this legal minefield.
myko 14y ago
Where did you hear $30/device? The number I've seen quoted was $50. Both seem outrageous to me at first glance.
fpgeek 14y ago
> "independently developed" > This is a new claim and not one that will find many takers imho. So Netscape Navigator 2.0b1 was cribbing off the the iPhone when it designed "Live URLs" detecting URLs and email addresses in mail and newsgroup messages? And Borland had a particularly good time machine to add detecting phone numbers to dial in your notes to the Sidekick TSR in the 80s? Oh, I forgot, Google clearly copied Siri when it released "universal search" for the G1 (in Cupcake, IIRC). I mean they should have known that porting Google Desktop Search to Android would obviously infringe on Apple's patents. I've sure Eric Schmidt got the idea for Desktop Search in an Apple board meeting. I just wonder how he got his notes back to Googlers in 2004.

by Steko 14y ago

icarus127 14y ago

Do you think Samsung's 3G patents cost Apple as much as they want charge Samsung for rounded corners?

esolyt 14y ago

Samsung isn't the only Android manufacturer. It also isn't the only one being sued by Apple. One of the benefits of Android being open source and free software is that it encourages small players to start competing with giants by giving them a nice OS and the ability to tweak it. This is why we can have smartphones, tablets, netbooks, smartwatches, ski goggles, cameras running Android. All designed and produced by many different companies, from multinational giants to small Kickstarter startups. No worries though. Soon, every one of them will realize they can get sued for "text correction" and how naive they were to think that they can just build upon open source and free software to realize their goals. As a startup should you care? Absolutely not! You should simply develop for iOS only, using iMacs and Macbooks.

da_n 14y ago
If you don't like Apple Open WebOS and MeeGo are interesting open options, I hope these will gain traction. I have never been a fan of the whole Dalvik/JVM architecture on Android. The update mechanism has always been especially shitty as well, every single device seems to need massive amounts of driver tweaking and customisation making the whole point of Java and its high portability rather pointless.
- kalleboo 14y ago
  > If you don't like Apple Open WebOS and MeeGo are interesting open options, I hope these will gain traction And if they gain traction, they will be sued by Apple.
  - fpgeek 14y ago
    And, unlike Android, neither Open WebOS nor MeeGo have a sponsor that would even consider trying to protect them. If you wanted to see either Open WebOS or MeeGo in the US (rather than China), Apple's lawsuits have effectively closed that door for the foreseeable future. No smartphone startup would be crazy enough to wade into this legal minefield.

myko 14y ago

Where did you hear $30/device? The number I've seen quoted was $50. Both seem outrageous to me at first glance.

fpgeek 14y ago

> "independently developed" > This is a new claim and not one that will find many takers imho. So Netscape Navigator 2.0b1 was cribbing off the the iPhone when it designed "Live URLs" detecting URLs and email addresses in mail and newsgroup messages? And Borland had a particularly good time machine to add detecting phone numbers to dial in your notes to the Sidekick TSR in the 80s? Oh, I forgot, Google clearly copied Siri when it released "universal search" for the G1 (in Cupcake, IIRC). I mean they should have known that porting Google Desktop Search to Android would obviously infringe on Apple's patents. I've sure Eric Schmidt got the idea for Desktop Search in an Apple board meeting. I just wonder how he got his notes back to Googlers in 2004.