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> One interesting point is he brought up Einstein's invention of relativity. He didn't invent, he discovered. I'm not just being pedantic, I think the approac
by mbell 14y ago
> One interesting point is he brought up Einstein's invention of relativity.
He didn't invent, he discovered. I'm not just being pedantic, I think the approaches signified by these two words goes to the root of the differences your describing.
- Peaker 14y agoI believe patents apply to discoveries in the same way as inventions.
- podperson 14y ago"You can patent pretty much anything under the sun that is made by man except laws of nature, physical phenomena, and abstract ideas. These categories are excluded subject matter from the scope of patents." You believe incorrectly. http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-cant-be-patented.html http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/what-cant-be-p...
- jmcqk6 14y agoTell that to the companies that have patented genetic sequences.
- lutusp 14y agoNo. One can discover mathematics, but mathematics cannot be patented. One can discover an ancient civilization ... and so forth. There are many more examples, and they're not patentable.
- DanBC 14y agoOne could discover a gene sequence that ... oh, wait.
- cromwellian 14y agoRSA encryption is pure number theory math and it was patented.
- mtgx 14y agoApple could say they "discovered" how to do pinch to zoom well or something.
- r00fus 14y agoThe sure can, but that means they would be forced to share their "discovery". Discovery and Invention are two different domains when it comes to patent law.
- cromwellian 14y agoDo you invent, or do you merely discover an optimum in solution space? This is really just semantics that changes nothing, regardless of what you want to call it, there is a history of people spending decades of effort to describe new math, new models, new mechanisms, all prior to patent protection. That reforming copyright and patent laws will reduce innovation is unproven scaremongering. There are other industries that don't litigate like this, but none the less experience a wide diversity of innovation. With the exception of Nathan Myhrvold, most innovations in field of cooking have not been patented. You don't go to a restaurant and get a patented entree, the chef cooks up new and original recipes by copying and tweaking recipes of those that came before.
- mbell 14y agoMy point is the differential in mental approach. In a classical sense, science is an act of discovery, of learning and understanding that which already exists, that which is the fundamental nature of the universe. These are things done out of a quest for knowledge and understanding. The entire concept of a patent is foreign to such an approach. Invention on the other hand is a concept rooted in taking a knowledge base and using it to create something new. Something that isn't just the fundamental nature of things but rather using such fundamental rules to create a novelty. The concept of a patent is founded on this ideal. Ultimately what I'm saying is that science marching along just fine without patents is a poor comparison to use, it has a completely different basis than what patents were created to protect (theoretically, I think they are just a mess at this point).
- jmcqk6 14y agoScience and scholarship as a whole are creative processes, just like invention is. >Invention on the other hand is a concept rooted in taking a knowledge base and using it to create something new. Replace "invention" with "science" and this sentence remains true. You're drawing a distinction that doesn't exist.