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Citations are citations, if it's a link, you link to it. But using shorteners for that is silly.

by whatevaa 1y ago

ceejayoz 1y ago
It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.
- epolanski 1y ago
  Fix that at the presentation layer (PDFs and Word files etc support links) not the data one.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    Let me know when you figure out how to make a printed scientific journal clickable.
    - diatone 1y ago
      Take a photo on your phone, OS recognises the link in the image, makes it clickable, done. Or, use a QR code instead
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
      - jeeyoungk 1y ago
        This is the answer; turns out that non-transformed links are the most generic data format, without any "compression" - QR codes or a third-party-intermediary - needed.
      - deleted 1y ago
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    - epolanski 1y ago
      Scientific journals should not rely on ephemeral data on the internet. It doesn't even matter how long the url is. Just buy any scientific book and try to navigate to it's own errata they link in the book. It's always dead.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        Sure, just turn the three page article into a 500 page one with all the data and code.
- IanCal 1y ago
  Adding an external service so you don’t have to store a few hundred bytes is wild, particularly within a pdf.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    It's not the bytes. It's the fact that it's likely gonna be printed in a paper journal, where you can't click the link.
    - SR2Z 1y ago
      I find it amusing that you are complaining about not having a computer to click a link while glossing over the fact that you need a computer to use a link at all. This use case of "I have a paper journal and no PDF but a computer with a web browser" seems extraordinarily contrived. I have literally held a single-digit number of printed papers in my entire life while looking at thousands as PDFs. If we cared, we'd use a QR code. This kind of luddite behavior sometimes makes using this site exhausting.
      - andrepd 1y ago
        I feel like all that is beyond the point. People used goo.gl because they largely are not tech specialists and aren't really aware of link rot or of a Google decision rendering those links unaccessible.
        SR2Z 1y ago
        > People used goo.gl because they largely are not tech specialists and aren't really aware of link rot or of a Google decision rendering those links unaccessible. Anyone who is savvy enough to put a link in a document is well-aware of the fact that links don't work forever, because anyone who has ever clicked a link from a document has encountered a dead link. It's not 2005 anymore, the internet has accumulated plenty of dead links.
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Citations are citations, if it's a link, you link to it. But using shorteners for that is silly.

ceejayoz 1y ago

It's not silly if the link is a couple hundred characters long.

epolanski 1y ago
Fix that at the presentation layer (PDFs and Word files etc support links) not the data one.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  Let me know when you figure out how to make a printed scientific journal clickable.
  - diatone 1y ago
    Take a photo on your phone, OS recognises the link in the image, makes it clickable, done. Or, use a QR code instead
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224
    - jeeyoungk 1y ago
      This is the answer; turns out that non-transformed links are the most generic data format, without any "compression" - QR codes or a third-party-intermediary - needed.
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
  - epolanski 1y ago
    Scientific journals should not rely on ephemeral data on the internet. It doesn't even matter how long the url is. Just buy any scientific book and try to navigate to it's own errata they link in the book. It's always dead.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      Sure, just turn the three page article into a 500 page one with all the data and code.
IanCal 1y ago
Adding an external service so you don’t have to store a few hundred bytes is wild, particularly within a pdf.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  It's not the bytes. It's the fact that it's likely gonna be printed in a paper journal, where you can't click the link.
  - SR2Z 1y ago
    I find it amusing that you are complaining about not having a computer to click a link while glossing over the fact that you need a computer to use a link at all. This use case of "I have a paper journal and no PDF but a computer with a web browser" seems extraordinarily contrived. I have literally held a single-digit number of printed papers in my entire life while looking at thousands as PDFs. If we cared, we'd use a QR code. This kind of luddite behavior sometimes makes using this site exhausting.
    - andrepd 1y ago
      I feel like all that is beyond the point. People used goo.gl because they largely are not tech specialists and aren't really aware of link rot or of a Google decision rendering those links unaccessible.
      - SR2Z 1y ago
        > People used goo.gl because they largely are not tech specialists and aren't really aware of link rot or of a Google decision rendering those links unaccessible. Anyone who is savvy enough to put a link in a document is well-aware of the fact that links don't work forever, because anyone who has ever clicked a link from a document has encountered a dead link. It's not 2005 anymore, the internet has accumulated plenty of dead links.
        deleted 1y ago