4 ms·

Hard question, and Instagram is getting abused by this. They allowed breastfeeding as a non-porn category, now you have hundreds of OnlyFans account faking brea

by h1fra 1y ago

Hard question, and Instagram is getting abused by this. They allowed breastfeeding as a non-porn category, now you have hundreds of OnlyFans account faking breastfeeding. Effectively ruining the progress for everybody.

kingkawn 1y ago
It is good to challenge these arbitrary norms through what amounts to a wild combo of civil disobedience and grifting
AlecSchueler 1y ago
I'm a new parent who recently stumbled into the world of Instagram breastfeeding pornography. I just wanted to say that the content I saw seemed to be almost universally published by men rather than women pushing their own OnlyFans content. I know you probably didn't intend it that way but I often see criticism of OnlyFans specifically made when I wouldn't have seen it around traditionally male operated pornography publishing, and sometimes there's a feeling of subtle misogyny creeping in.
- Lockyy 1y ago
  There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue. I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaimed sense) and therefore they and their opinions are worthless, is the unstated logic of this sentence. The misogyny drips off of the concept of an Onlyfans lessening someone.
  - 9x39 1y ago
    Would you celebrate the choice of entering sex work like, say, that of someone entering medicine or law? “You’d make such a good porn star!”, we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between OF and Stanford. No, we wouldn’t, because despite a weird and deliberate normalizing effort in some corners of the Internet, it’s an intrinsically degrading field run by pimps physical or digital now, and an existential history of abuse and degradation.
    - do_not_redeem 1y ago
      Not every job is glamorous. Would you be proud of your child for becoming a garbage man? "You'd make such a good garbage man!", we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between sanitization engineering and Stanford. Probably not, yet society depends on garbagemen to function smoothly. And we should be happy that in the modern era people can pursue unglamorous careers, and be accepted by society, and not suffer from the abuse and degredation of times past. Society is improving. It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices.
      - 9x39 1y ago
        Garbage collection is similar to other male trades - they tend to be stable, respectable (although not the level of law/med to be sure but certainly among blue collar work), often well paid for the entry reqs. Did humans stop abusing one another and I missed it, and all the harms of being used sexually by the world are gone now? >It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices. Women have some of the strongest opinions against sw, so you have the floor if you want to attack that half. https://prostitutescollective.net/independent-a-quarter-of-women-think-sex-work-should-be-stigmatised-says-poll/ https://prostitutescollective.net/independent-a-quarter-of-w...
        const_cast 1y ago
        Garbage collectors sell their body to a much greater degree than many sex workers. Male-centered fields that sell their body are celebrated, but female-centered ones are degraded. It is, indeed, misogyny. I would be much safer making porn than being in the army, or even working in a warehouse. It would be less taxing on my body.
        do_not_redeem 1y ago
        > A quarter of women think sex work should be stigmatised, says poll Aren't we lucky that 25% of women have a strong man like you to protect them from the other 75% of women.
    - 1y ago
  - Palmik 1y ago
    Really? I always saw that as a similar reaction to what you may see here on HN when people dismiss an article because it's written by a party trying to (subtly) push their (possibly semi-related) product. In other words, it's a defense (perhaps unjustified in many cases) against being manipulated by the poster.
    - AlecSchueler 1y ago
      The thing is that they singled out the platform known for putting the control in the hands of women rather than making the broader point about guerrilla marketing.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    That's exactly what I meant, I'm not sure how my meaning became reversed.

by h1fra 1y ago

kingkawn 1y ago

It is good to challenge these arbitrary norms through what amounts to a wild combo of civil disobedience and grifting

AlecSchueler 1y ago

I'm a new parent who recently stumbled into the world of Instagram breastfeeding pornography. I just wanted to say that the content I saw seemed to be almost universally published by men rather than women pushing their own OnlyFans content. I know you probably didn't intend it that way but I often see criticism of OnlyFans specifically made when I wouldn't have seen it around traditionally male operated pornography publishing, and sometimes there's a feeling of subtle misogyny creeping in.

Lockyy 1y ago
There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue. I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaimed sense) and therefore they and their opinions are worthless, is the unstated logic of this sentence. The misogyny drips off of the concept of an Onlyfans lessening someone.
- 9x39 1y ago
  Would you celebrate the choice of entering sex work like, say, that of someone entering medicine or law? “You’d make such a good porn star!”, we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between OF and Stanford. No, we wouldn’t, because despite a weird and deliberate normalizing effort in some corners of the Internet, it’s an intrinsically degrading field run by pimps physical or digital now, and an existential history of abuse and degradation.
  - do_not_redeem 1y ago
    Not every job is glamorous. Would you be proud of your child for becoming a garbage man? "You'd make such a good garbage man!", we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between sanitization engineering and Stanford. Probably not, yet society depends on garbagemen to function smoothly. And we should be happy that in the modern era people can pursue unglamorous careers, and be accepted by society, and not suffer from the abuse and degredation of times past. Society is improving. It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices.
    - 9x39 1y ago
      Garbage collection is similar to other male trades - they tend to be stable, respectable (although not the level of law/med to be sure but certainly among blue collar work), often well paid for the entry reqs. Did humans stop abusing one another and I missed it, and all the harms of being used sexually by the world are gone now? >It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices. Women have some of the strongest opinions against sw, so you have the floor if you want to attack that half. https://prostitutescollective.net/independent-a-quarter-of-women-think-sex-work-should-be-stigmatised-says-poll/ https://prostitutescollective.net/independent-a-quarter-of-w...
      - const_cast 1y ago
        Garbage collectors sell their body to a much greater degree than many sex workers. Male-centered fields that sell their body are celebrated, but female-centered ones are degraded. It is, indeed, misogyny. I would be much safer making porn than being in the army, or even working in a warehouse. It would be less taxing on my body.
      - do_not_redeem 1y ago
        > A quarter of women think sex work should be stigmatised, says poll Aren't we lucky that 25% of women have a strong man like you to protect them from the other 75% of women.
  - 1y ago
- Palmik 1y ago
  Really? I always saw that as a similar reaction to what you may see here on HN when people dismiss an article because it's written by a party trying to (subtly) push their (possibly semi-related) product. In other words, it's a defense (perhaps unjustified in many cases) against being manipulated by the poster.
  - AlecSchueler 1y ago
    The thing is that they singled out the platform known for putting the control in the hands of women rather than making the broader point about guerrilla marketing.
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  That's exactly what I meant, I'm not sure how my meaning became reversed.