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When you consider with which woman to conceive children, consciously or unconsciously, you are engaging in eugenics. It’s fine. Forced sterilizations aren’t but

When you consider with which woman to conceive children, consciously or unconsciously, you are engaging in eugenics. It’s fine. Forced sterilizations aren’t but we’re not talking about those. There isn’t a set of magic words people use (eugenics, isms/phobias) where the person accused of said word must prove that’s not the case before he can continue. “It’s eugenics” isn’t a reason to shut someone down.

kulahan 1y ago
I don't disagree, but this doesn't change general opinion on the topic. People don't like discussing the idea that we should just delete anyone not up to standard.
- akie 1y ago
  A 3 month old fetus is not a person and therefore doesn't count under "anyone"
  - HPsquared 1y ago
    That's a bit arbitrary though, isn't it? I mean, are newborn babies really people? The Romans didn't think so. I don't see the big philosophical difference. They can't earn money or pay taxes, and are 100% dependent on parental care and resources. And how about sleeping people? I mean they're unaware of their surroundings. Are sleeping people real people? Sure, they'll inevitably wake up in a few hours, if nothing goes wrong. Same as how a fetus will inevitably develop into an adult and be fully conscious, if nothing goes wrong.
    - bboozzoo 1y ago
      > Same as how a fetus will inevitably develop into an adult and be fully conscious, if nothing goes wrong. Unless it dies in pain and suffering hours, days, months or a few years after birth due to a defect that we already know can never be cured or fixed by other means. Somehow societies that are least interested or capable in providing any aid to these traumatized families revel the most in their suffering.
      - HPsquared 1y ago
        That's a special case and the same argument / situation can apply to adults too. But only with extreme caution in both cases.
  - Thorrez 1y ago
    You say that as if that's an accepted fact. Many people agree with what you say. Many disagree. There's no scientific evidence for what you're saying.
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kulahan 1y ago

I don't disagree, but this doesn't change general opinion on the topic. People don't like discussing the idea that we should just delete anyone not up to standard.

akie 1y ago
A 3 month old fetus is not a person and therefore doesn't count under "anyone"
- HPsquared 1y ago
  That's a bit arbitrary though, isn't it? I mean, are newborn babies really people? The Romans didn't think so. I don't see the big philosophical difference. They can't earn money or pay taxes, and are 100% dependent on parental care and resources. And how about sleeping people? I mean they're unaware of their surroundings. Are sleeping people real people? Sure, they'll inevitably wake up in a few hours, if nothing goes wrong. Same as how a fetus will inevitably develop into an adult and be fully conscious, if nothing goes wrong.
  - bboozzoo 1y ago
    > Same as how a fetus will inevitably develop into an adult and be fully conscious, if nothing goes wrong. Unless it dies in pain and suffering hours, days, months or a few years after birth due to a defect that we already know can never be cured or fixed by other means. Somehow societies that are least interested or capable in providing any aid to these traumatized families revel the most in their suffering.
    - HPsquared 1y ago
      That's a special case and the same argument / situation can apply to adults too. But only with extreme caution in both cases.
- Thorrez 1y ago
  You say that as if that's an accepted fact. Many people agree with what you say. Many disagree. There's no scientific evidence for what you're saying.
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