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Thanks for the tip - we employees should run and re-run the code generation hundreds of times even if the changes are pretty good. That way, the brass will see

Thanks for the tip - we employees should run and re-run the code generation hundreds of times even if the changes are pretty good. That way, the brass will see a huge bill without many actual commits. Sorry boss, it looks like we need to hire more software engineers since the AI route still isn't mathing.

mdaniel 1y ago
> we employees should run and re-run the code generation hundreds of times Well, Anthropic sure thinks that you should. Number go up!
- drewvlaz 1y ago
  One really has to wonder what their actual margins are though, considering the Claude Code plans vs API pricing
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  It is accurate though. I even run multiple attempts in parallel. Which is a strategy that can work with human teams too.
gmueckl 1y ago
Data centers are CapEx, employees are OpEx. Building more data centers is cheap. Employees can always supervise more agents...
- zer00eyz 1y ago
  Data centers are cap ex Except the power and cooling demands of the current crop of GPU's means you are not fitting full density in a rack. There is a real material increase in fiber use because of your now more distributed equipment. (because 800gbps interconnects are NOT cheap). You can't capitalize power costs: this is now a non-trivial cost to account for. And the more power you use for compute the more power you have to use for cooling... (Power density is now so high that cooling with something other than air is looking not just attractive but like it is going to be a requirement.) Meanwhile the cost of lending right now is high compared to recent decades... The accounting side of things isnt as pretty as one would like it to be.
  - gmueckl 1y ago
    That is a much more grounded reply than my comment deserved. Thanks!
  - dvsfish 1y ago
    Can't you capitalize power costs to an extent by building a solar and battery array? A sufficiently wealthy company would have the means to find a place to put it that can optimise for both conditions I imagine. I am a total layman in this regard though so pretty happy to be told I'm wrong. Apologies if I completely misinterpreted what you're meaning.
Graziano_M 1y ago
Don’t forget to smash the power looms as well.
- aprilthird2021 1y ago
  Is it OK to be a Luddite? https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/r...?
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    Must we choose between Leviathan or oblivion? Is a steady state society possible, or even desirable? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ophuls#Leviathan_or_oblivion?,_1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ophuls#Leviathan_or_ob...
godelski 1y ago
Unironically this can actually be a good idea. Instead of "rerunning," run in parallel. Then pick the best solution. Pros: - Saved Time! - Scalable! - Big Bill? Cons: - Big Bill - AI written code
- DANmode 1y ago
  Have you seen human-written code?
  - withinboredom 1y ago
    At least when you tell a human the indentation is wrong, they can fix it on the first try. Watched an AI agent last night try to fix indentation by using sed for 20 minutes before I just fixed it myself after cringing.
    - aeontech 1y ago
      I mean... this is a deterministic task, can just run it through autoformatter? Why ask AI to do indentation of all things?
      - theshrike79 1y ago
        This is why I have a standing order for all LLMs to run goimports on any file they've edited. It'll fix imports and minor nags without the LLM having to waste context on removing a line there or changing ' to " somewhere. Even better if you use an LLM with Hook support, just have the hook run formatters on the file after each edit.
      - jvanderbot 1y ago
        One time I explained that I was afraid of tesla full self driving, because while using it my tesla accelerated to 45mph in a parking lot that was parallel to the road and only separated by a curb. The pushback I got was "Why would you use FSD in a parking lot". Well, "Full", right? Same here. It's either capable of working unsupervised or not. And if not, you have to start wondering what you're even doing if you're at your keyboard, running tools, editing code that you don't like, etc. We're still working out the edge cases with these "Full" self driving editors. It vastly diminishes the usefulness if it's going to spend 20 minutes (and $) on stupid simple things.

mdaniel 1y ago

> we employees should run and re-run the code generation hundreds of times Well, Anthropic sure thinks that you should. Number go up!

drewvlaz 1y ago
One really has to wonder what their actual margins are though, considering the Claude Code plans vs API pricing
wahnfrieden 1y ago
It is accurate though. I even run multiple attempts in parallel. Which is a strategy that can work with human teams too.

gmueckl 1y ago

Data centers are CapEx, employees are OpEx. Building more data centers is cheap. Employees can always supervise more agents...

zer00eyz 1y ago
Data centers are cap ex Except the power and cooling demands of the current crop of GPU's means you are not fitting full density in a rack. There is a real material increase in fiber use because of your now more distributed equipment. (because 800gbps interconnects are NOT cheap). You can't capitalize power costs: this is now a non-trivial cost to account for. And the more power you use for compute the more power you have to use for cooling... (Power density is now so high that cooling with something other than air is looking not just attractive but like it is going to be a requirement.) Meanwhile the cost of lending right now is high compared to recent decades... The accounting side of things isnt as pretty as one would like it to be.
- gmueckl 1y ago
  That is a much more grounded reply than my comment deserved. Thanks!
- dvsfish 1y ago
  Can't you capitalize power costs to an extent by building a solar and battery array? A sufficiently wealthy company would have the means to find a place to put it that can optimise for both conditions I imagine. I am a total layman in this regard though so pretty happy to be told I'm wrong. Apologies if I completely misinterpreted what you're meaning.

Graziano_M 1y ago

Don’t forget to smash the power looms as well.

aprilthird2021 1y ago
Is it OK to be a Luddite? https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/reviews/pynchon-luddite.html https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/books/97/05/18/r...?
- aspenmayer 1y ago
  Must we choose between Leviathan or oblivion? Is a steady state society possible, or even desirable? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ophuls#Leviathan_or_oblivion?,_1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ophuls#Leviathan_or_ob...

godelski 1y ago

Unironically this can actually be a good idea. Instead of "rerunning," run in parallel. Then pick the best solution. Pros: - Saved Time! - Scalable! - Big Bill? Cons: - Big Bill - AI written code

DANmode 1y ago
Have you seen human-written code?
- withinboredom 1y ago
  At least when you tell a human the indentation is wrong, they can fix it on the first try. Watched an AI agent last night try to fix indentation by using sed for 20 minutes before I just fixed it myself after cringing.
  - aeontech 1y ago
    I mean... this is a deterministic task, can just run it through autoformatter? Why ask AI to do indentation of all things?
    - theshrike79 1y ago
      This is why I have a standing order for all LLMs to run goimports on any file they've edited. It'll fix imports and minor nags without the LLM having to waste context on removing a line there or changing ' to " somewhere. Even better if you use an LLM with Hook support, just have the hook run formatters on the file after each edit.
    - jvanderbot 1y ago
      One time I explained that I was afraid of tesla full self driving, because while using it my tesla accelerated to 45mph in a parking lot that was parallel to the road and only separated by a curb. The pushback I got was "Why would you use FSD in a parking lot". Well, "Full", right? Same here. It's either capable of working unsupervised or not. And if not, you have to start wondering what you're even doing if you're at your keyboard, running tools, editing code that you don't like, etc. We're still working out the edge cases with these "Full" self driving editors. It vastly diminishes the usefulness if it's going to spend 20 minutes (and $) on stupid simple things.