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I recently bought a SIG P320, and a week later, I started reading articles about it self discharging. =P It’s not like it happens all the time, but it seems tha
by zxcvbn4038 1y ago
I recently bought a SIG P320, and a week later, I started reading articles about it self discharging. =P It’s not like it happens all the time, but it seems that if the safety lever spring’s thickness is off by a thousandth of an inch, and the height of the post it fits on is also off by a thousandth of an inch, and you drop the pistol at just the right angle with enough force, the FBI reportedly got it to discharge once during testing—though officially, the results are inconclusive. Now, some law enforcement agencies are quietly replacing the P320 with the Glock 19. Personally, I’m keeping mine because it’s a great gun, and I love that 21-round magazine. However, I sent in my warranty card in case there’s a recall or something similar.
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- GiorgioG 1y agoOdds are, you'll never experience the self-discharging issue. Having said that, I don't find a mostly-reliable firearm acceptable from a safety perspective. If I don't pull the trigger, it cannot go bang, ever, for any reason.
- 303uru 1y agoI’m not taking odds on an edc item which takes a lot of banging around. Glock 18 is a simple choice.
- hxtk 1y agoOff by one errors strike again, unless you EDC a machine pistol?
- Alupis 1y agoI'm still very curious why the P320 beat out the venerable Glock 17 & 19 combo in the Army's recent selection. It would seem being able to change from duty to compact is more of a gimmick than practical. I'd wager most P320's will spend their service life in exactly one configuration. Sig does have a way of making every pistol feel like it was custom molded to your hand - but Glocks "Just Work".
- gosub100 1y agoHere is an entire video talking about it, by an attorney who works in the firearms industry: https://youtu.be/7NXDuKQF9kU?si=uRXnYvhMMKIN8BKa https://youtu.be/7NXDuKQF9kU?si=uRXnYvhMMKIN8BKa
- deelowe 1y agoI'd take this with a grain of salt. I generally like James' content, but he has always been a huge Sig supporter and throughout the p320 debacle, he's been more supportive of Sig than I think he should be.
- lenerdenator 1y ago"I just want them to make one with a damn thumb safety and if this competition won't make them do it, nothing will." - some US Army ordinance guy about Glock, probably.
- giardini 1y agoCOLT 1911 45 ACP condition 1.
- lenerdenator 1y agoCharged and locked, hard to screw that up.
- Alupis 1y ago"Cocked & Locked" is usually how people refer to this - and it is easy to screw up. Under stress, people's fine motor skills vanish, sometimes resulting in the safety not being disengaged as you draw from the holster. Additionally, it can be accidentally flipped off during handling. Modern firearms have multiple internal safeties to prevent accidental discharges (unless you're Sig apparently).
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- mgarfias 1y agoA Glock 18, huh? I’d fucking love to edc a Glock 18.
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- lambdasquirrel 1y agoA thousandth of an inch would do it? They couldn't give more margin-of-safety to a critical part like that? A thousand of an inch isn't such a theoretical number. It's about 25 microns, and I've shimmed one of my back-focusing photography lenses for less than that much (about 10 microns, to be specific). This is something that they ought to be able to machine for, but depending on the context, it might not leave much room for error.
- gottorf 1y ago> A thousandth of an inch would do it? They couldn't give more margin-of-safety to a critical part like that? If it's true, that's truly terrible design.
- privatelypublic 1y agoIts likely a misunderstanding and/or mischaracterization of "tolerance stacking." A safe example is bike chain. If each one is 1 inch +- 0.01", if every single one is +0.01" then ten links will be long by a tenth of an inch. And might pass QC on the bike when pedaled by hand- but it'll fall off when somebodies full bodyweight and 100hrs of wear is out into it.
- whyever 1y agoThat's not how errors add up, it's nonlinear. You have to take the sum of squares. So in your case, it wouldn't be 10 * 0.01 = 0.1, but sqrt(10 * 0.01^2) = 0.032, which is less than one third of a tenth.
- privatelypublic 1y agoI provided a "worst case", not statistical, example. For those who want an example, calculator, and demo see: https://www.smlease.com/entries/tolerance/tolerance-stackup-analysis/ https://www.smlease.com/entries/tolerance/tolerance-stackup-... NB: using disks like the site does provides a clearer example.
- spacephysics 1y agoTheir report outlined here and the police officer’s account of the unintentional discharge occurred without dropping and while securely in the holster without any items intruding in the holster (i say that because it was a prior excuse Sig made for the unintentional discharge reports) https://youtu.be/LfnhTYeVHHE https://youtu.be/LfnhTYeVHHE
- halyconWays 1y agoAt least one of those critical components (P/N 1300739-R) is manufactured in India. Is that a contributing factor?