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So go out and try to change the values of your typical rural evangelical Christian about gay rights or trans issues today. I’m not going to speak about other r

So go out and try to change the values of your typical rural evangelical Christian about gay rights or trans issues today. I’m not going to speak about other religions that I don’t know about personally. When was the last time you hung around a group of conservative Christians? I am emphasizing a certain cohort of Christianity. I am well aware of the more liberal Christian churches that fight/fought for civil rights and treating all human beings decently. How much time have you spent in the Bible Belt? There are places in the south that held segregated proms as recently as 2014. Once (the royal) you hurt my family or insult anyone I care about because of the color of their skin or about their sexuality, I don’t owe you forgiveness or an explanation for my right to exist overall or be in “your space”.

em-bee 1y ago
i am not saying you have any kind of obligation to do anything to change someones mind. nor am i saying that it would be easy. i am just suggesting not to dismiss that change is possible. if daryl davis can change members of the kkk, then we can change conservative christians too. it takes effort and time, but it's not impossible.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Yes and if I tell my kids to drop out of school it’s also possible for them to become a billionaire because I read about a few people who did so….
  - em-bee 1y ago
    that's not a fair comparison. the risks of dropping out of school are quite different from the risks of talking to someone.
    - scarface_74 1y ago
      The risk of my walking up to a klmsn rally and trying to change their heart is quite the same…
      - em-bee 1y ago
        well that's a dumb thing to do. you talk to people when you are in a friendly environment, on a shared activity, where you can make friends with them. you build a friendship first. you don't confront strangers on the street. again, do take a look at what daryl davis actually did. he most certainly did not walk into the middle of a kkk rally. and you don't have to follow his example by picking out the most difficult people to work on. just making friends with people who are not the same group as you is a good start.
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        scarface_74 1y ago
        Well it’s dumb to prostrate myself for people that hate me. Black people for decades since MLK have been told by the old guard to let folks beat them and they will eventually be nice to them. Now unfortunately liberals of all stripes think the same metaphorically. The people they are trying to extend a hand to are about retribution and cheering a leader who does so. It’s about as banal as the “thoughts and prayers” can change things on the right. You noticed that none of the people giving this advice here are minorities, trans, etc reaching out to people?
        em-bee 1y ago
        You noticed that none of the people giving this advice here are minorities well, that's trivially proven wrong by daryl davis himself. and there are others. of course most of them don't make the kind of publicity that it would take for us to find out about them. it is also easier to work in a group instead of as an individual. if you search you will find black communities doing outreach and seeking dialogue.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        Yes and it’s trivially proven wrong by Bill Gates that if I dropped out of school I could have become a billionaire… And you still haven’t answered the question…have you reached out to people who hate you for who you are and tried to make friends with them? And how often have you sat around having drinks with a group of successful, upper middle class Black people (well statistically well in the 80th-90th percentile income wise) who think it’s their responsible to change hearts and minds? I can guarantee you we all live our lives and spend no time worrying about rural America and their petty grievances. The same is true when I go home to south GA for family get togethers. They are irrelevant to us. Just to be absolutely clear, I’m an advocate for universal health care, better educating opportunities etc that uplifts everyone and have plenty of conservative non-MAGA friends.

em-bee 1y ago

i am not saying you have any kind of obligation to do anything to change someones mind. nor am i saying that it would be easy. i am just suggesting not to dismiss that change is possible. if daryl davis can change members of the kkk, then we can change conservative christians too. it takes effort and time, but it's not impossible.

scarface_74 1y ago
Yes and if I tell my kids to drop out of school it’s also possible for them to become a billionaire because I read about a few people who did so….
- em-bee 1y ago
  that's not a fair comparison. the risks of dropping out of school are quite different from the risks of talking to someone.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    The risk of my walking up to a klmsn rally and trying to change their heart is quite the same…
    - em-bee 1y ago
      well that's a dumb thing to do. you talk to people when you are in a friendly environment, on a shared activity, where you can make friends with them. you build a friendship first. you don't confront strangers on the street. again, do take a look at what daryl davis actually did. he most certainly did not walk into the middle of a kkk rally. and you don't have to follow his example by picking out the most difficult people to work on. just making friends with people who are not the same group as you is a good start.
      - deleted 1y ago
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      - scarface_74 1y ago
        Well it’s dumb to prostrate myself for people that hate me. Black people for decades since MLK have been told by the old guard to let folks beat them and they will eventually be nice to them. Now unfortunately liberals of all stripes think the same metaphorically. The people they are trying to extend a hand to are about retribution and cheering a leader who does so. It’s about as banal as the “thoughts and prayers” can change things on the right. You noticed that none of the people giving this advice here are minorities, trans, etc reaching out to people?
        em-bee 1y ago
        You noticed that none of the people giving this advice here are minorities well, that's trivially proven wrong by daryl davis himself. and there are others. of course most of them don't make the kind of publicity that it would take for us to find out about them. it is also easier to work in a group instead of as an individual. if you search you will find black communities doing outreach and seeking dialogue.
        scarface_74 1y ago
        Yes and it’s trivially proven wrong by Bill Gates that if I dropped out of school I could have become a billionaire… And you still haven’t answered the question…have you reached out to people who hate you for who you are and tried to make friends with them? And how often have you sat around having drinks with a group of successful, upper middle class Black people (well statistically well in the 80th-90th percentile income wise) who think it’s their responsible to change hearts and minds? I can guarantee you we all live our lives and spend no time worrying about rural America and their petty grievances. The same is true when I go home to south GA for family get togethers. They are irrelevant to us. Just to be absolutely clear, I’m an advocate for universal health care, better educating opportunities etc that uplifts everyone and have plenty of conservative non-MAGA friends.