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To be fair that thirst probably comes from people who aren’t seeing the gains the hype would lead you to believe and are reaching into the void to not feel like

To be fair that thirst probably comes from people who aren’t seeing the gains the hype would lead you to believe and are reaching into the void to not feel like they’re taking crazy pills. It’s also probably not coming from a place of “I’m scared of AI so I want it to fail” but more like “my complex use case doesn’t work with AI and I’m really wondering why that is”. There’s this desire it seems to think of people who aren’t on the hype train as “against” AI but people need to remember that these are most likely devs with a decade of experience who have been evaluating the usefulness of the tools they use for a long time.

jsbisviewtiful 1y ago
Personal take, but I think some people also understand that the hype machine around AI is coming from the rich and C-level people. Meanwhile companies are widely and openly axing jobs and or not paying artists, citing AI as the source of their new fortune. Personally, my use of AI in my job has so far not been that fruitful and for something that has so far dramatically underdelivered on its promises of utopian ideas we are instead actively seeing it used to undercut the 99% - and that’s not even getting into the environmental impact or the hellscape it’s made of the Internet.
- archagon 1y ago
  It’s telling that there seem to be no AI companies with “boring” CEOs. It’s all glassy-eyed zealots talking about how their product will upend the workforce.
Terr_ 1y ago
Trying out an analogy: The time is the early 2000s, and the Segway™ is being suggested as the archetype of almost all future personal transportation in cities and suburbs. I don't hate the product, there's neat technology there, they're fun to mess with, but... My bullshit sensor is still going off. I become tired of being told that I'm just not using enough imagination, or that I would understand if only I was plugged into the correct social-groups of visionaries who've given arguments I already don't find compelling. Then when somebody does a proper analysis of start/stop distance, road throughput, cargo capacity, etc, that's awesome! Finally, some glimmer of knowledge to push back the fog of speculation. Sure, there's a nonzero amount of confirmation bias going on, but goshdangit at least I'm getting mine from studies with math, rather than the folks getting it from artistic renderings of self-balancing vehicles filling a street in the year 2025.
Yoric 1y ago
> To be fair that thirst probably comes from people who aren’t seeing the gains the hype would lead you to believe and are reaching into the void to not feel like they’re taking crazy pills. Yes, exactly! I've spent way too much time trying to get anything remotely close to an LLM writing useful code. Yeah, I'm sure it can speed up writing code that I can write in my sleep, but I want it to write code I can learn from, and so far, my success rate is ~0 (although the documentation along the bogus code is sometimes a good starting point). Having my timelines filled by people who basically claim that I'm just an idiot for failing to achieve that? Yeah, it's craze-inducing. Every time I see research that appears to confirm the hype, I see a huge hole in the protocol. Now finally, some research confirming my observations? It feels so good!
goalieca 1y ago
For some, it is also coming from a place that their company leadership is mandating AI use.

jsbisviewtiful 1y ago

Personal take, but I think some people also understand that the hype machine around AI is coming from the rich and C-level people. Meanwhile companies are widely and openly axing jobs and or not paying artists, citing AI as the source of their new fortune. Personally, my use of AI in my job has so far not been that fruitful and for something that has so far dramatically underdelivered on its promises of utopian ideas we are instead actively seeing it used to undercut the 99% - and that’s not even getting into the environmental impact or the hellscape it’s made of the Internet.

archagon 1y ago
It’s telling that there seem to be no AI companies with “boring” CEOs. It’s all glassy-eyed zealots talking about how their product will upend the workforce.

Terr_ 1y ago

Trying out an analogy: The time is the early 2000s, and the Segway™ is being suggested as the archetype of almost all future personal transportation in cities and suburbs. I don't hate the product, there's neat technology there, they're fun to mess with, but... My bullshit sensor is still going off. I become tired of being told that I'm just not using enough imagination, or that I would understand if only I was plugged into the correct social-groups of visionaries who've given arguments I already don't find compelling. Then when somebody does a proper analysis of start/stop distance, road throughput, cargo capacity, etc, that's awesome! Finally, some glimmer of knowledge to push back the fog of speculation. Sure, there's a nonzero amount of confirmation bias going on, but goshdangit at least I'm getting mine from studies with math, rather than the folks getting it from artistic renderings of self-balancing vehicles filling a street in the year 2025.

Yoric 1y ago

> To be fair that thirst probably comes from people who aren’t seeing the gains the hype would lead you to believe and are reaching into the void to not feel like they’re taking crazy pills. Yes, exactly! I've spent way too much time trying to get anything remotely close to an LLM writing useful code. Yeah, I'm sure it can speed up writing code that I can write in my sleep, but I want it to write code I can learn from, and so far, my success rate is ~0 (although the documentation along the bogus code is sometimes a good starting point). Having my timelines filled by people who basically claim that I'm just an idiot for failing to achieve that? Yeah, it's craze-inducing. Every time I see research that appears to confirm the hype, I see a huge hole in the protocol. Now finally, some research confirming my observations? It feels so good!

goalieca 1y ago

For some, it is also coming from a place that their company leadership is mandating AI use.