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Believe it or not, but not all feminists are progressive. Some think that women in porn is negative to all women. Same with abortion. There is also no reason w

Believe it or not, but not all feminists are progressive. Some think that women in porn is negative to all women. Same with abortion. There is also no reason why feminism would need to support LGBT? The point of feminism should be to support women.

snvzz 1y ago
The LGB and then LGBT and then LGBT++ thing is the result of a destructive, diluting strategy known as co-opting. Something similar was attempted against atheism. ("Atheism+")
- ImJamal 1y ago
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  - roguecoder 1y ago
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    - ImJamal 1y ago
      What are you even trying to say? Women don't want to experience violence and fear. This is one of the things the feminist movement was trying to solve. Now that many of them are experiencing fear in bathrooms you think they are transphobes. Why do you reject the idea that women should feel safe in bathrooms? Okay anti-feminist.
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cardanome 1y ago
> There is also no reason why feminism would need to support LGBT? Because lesbian, trans and generally queer women exist? Even if you were to only care about cis hetero women, it is silly to think that transphobes will only keep attacking trans women. As lot of cis women have been "transvestigated", have been harassed in bathrooms for "looking trans" and so on. So even cis women will ultimately suffer if no one speaks up against bigots. The window of what they are allowed to wear, look like, how they are supposed to behave gets smaller and smaller. The enemy is the same. The same patriarchal reactionary ideology that wants to punish any difference to the imagined norm. Ultimately it is a class war and the rich pricks are winning. It is liking saying "why should I defend Jews, I am not a Jew.". Sure they might not come for you first but they will come for you eventually. United we are strong. Divided they will get us one by one. If you are pretend to be feminist but throw your trans sister under the bus, you are a traitor not a feminist.
- ImJamal 1y ago
  It is mostly the T that feminists have issues with, though the Ls have significantly higher rates of domestic abuse than any other relationships, so I could see some feminists having criticisms. A biological man going into a women's bathroom makes many (most?) biological women feel unsafe. Many feminists think that women feeling unsafe is not a good a thing and are fighting against it. To call women who want to feel safe in a bathroom a traitor to feminism is just so ridiculous and is a betrayal of women. I haven't look at any stats, but from I have been seeing it appears like the so called trans-exclusionary feminists are growing regardless if you call them a traitor. Wanting women to feel safe is such a basic tenant of feminism.
  - piperswe 1y ago
    I wouldn't be surprised if significantly more cis women were harassed by anti transgender "feminists" in womens' restrooms than harassed by actual transgender women in womens' restrooms. People worrying about whether other people belong in a specific restroom are the real safety risk.
    - ImJamal 1y ago
      Perhaps, but it is the fear of a biological man is in their private space that is causing them to have friendly fire.
    - Jensson 1y ago
      Issue is you can't tell the difference between a man calling himself a woman to harass women and a man calling himself a woman since he feel he is a woman. That is the main reason people are against these things, it doesn't matter if the "real trans people" are not an issue.
      - piperswe 1y ago
        Source for a "man calling himself a woman to harass women" actually going into women's restrooms to do that? I'm not aware of any substantial number of instances, especially compared to the instances I've seen of women being harassed by other women because of this line of thinking.

snvzz 1y ago

The LGB and then LGBT and then LGBT++ thing is the result of a destructive, diluting strategy known as co-opting. Something similar was attempted against atheism. ("Atheism+")

ImJamal 1y ago
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- roguecoder 1y ago
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  - ImJamal 1y ago
    What are you even trying to say? Women don't want to experience violence and fear. This is one of the things the feminist movement was trying to solve. Now that many of them are experiencing fear in bathrooms you think they are transphobes. Why do you reject the idea that women should feel safe in bathrooms? Okay anti-feminist.
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cardanome 1y ago

> There is also no reason why feminism would need to support LGBT? Because lesbian, trans and generally queer women exist? Even if you were to only care about cis hetero women, it is silly to think that transphobes will only keep attacking trans women. As lot of cis women have been "transvestigated", have been harassed in bathrooms for "looking trans" and so on. So even cis women will ultimately suffer if no one speaks up against bigots. The window of what they are allowed to wear, look like, how they are supposed to behave gets smaller and smaller. The enemy is the same. The same patriarchal reactionary ideology that wants to punish any difference to the imagined norm. Ultimately it is a class war and the rich pricks are winning. It is liking saying "why should I defend Jews, I am not a Jew.". Sure they might not come for you first but they will come for you eventually. United we are strong. Divided they will get us one by one. If you are pretend to be feminist but throw your trans sister under the bus, you are a traitor not a feminist.

ImJamal 1y ago
It is mostly the T that feminists have issues with, though the Ls have significantly higher rates of domestic abuse than any other relationships, so I could see some feminists having criticisms. A biological man going into a women's bathroom makes many (most?) biological women feel unsafe. Many feminists think that women feeling unsafe is not a good a thing and are fighting against it. To call women who want to feel safe in a bathroom a traitor to feminism is just so ridiculous and is a betrayal of women. I haven't look at any stats, but from I have been seeing it appears like the so called trans-exclusionary feminists are growing regardless if you call them a traitor. Wanting women to feel safe is such a basic tenant of feminism.
- piperswe 1y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if significantly more cis women were harassed by anti transgender "feminists" in womens' restrooms than harassed by actual transgender women in womens' restrooms. People worrying about whether other people belong in a specific restroom are the real safety risk.
  - ImJamal 1y ago
    Perhaps, but it is the fear of a biological man is in their private space that is causing them to have friendly fire.
  - Jensson 1y ago
    Issue is you can't tell the difference between a man calling himself a woman to harass women and a man calling himself a woman since he feel he is a woman. That is the main reason people are against these things, it doesn't matter if the "real trans people" are not an issue.
    - piperswe 1y ago
      Source for a "man calling himself a woman to harass women" actually going into women's restrooms to do that? I'm not aware of any substantial number of instances, especially compared to the instances I've seen of women being harassed by other women because of this line of thinking.