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That’s amazing and horrifying. Do you want to use an Internet where every website is tracking you like this? Why would you release this?

Kiboneu 1y ago
> Why would you release this? Because it’s profitable.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  Alas. And so is dumping waste into rivers, but I hope people will continue to tell the people doing it that they’re wrong for doing so.
  - raywatcher 1y ago
    Profit alone isn’t the motivation. Unlike polluting rivers, our goal isn’t to externalize costs onto society or the environment. We see a real problem: B2B teams waste massive time and budgets chasing unqualified leads, spamming prospects, and burning through acquisition dollars. By delivering truly high‑precision demand intelligence, we help businesses focus only on the buyers who actually want to talk, cutting down on unwanted outreach and wasted resources. In other words, our goal is to create efficiency and reduce friction for buyers, sellers, and the planet rather than offloading harm onto someone else.
    - yodon 1y ago
      One day you'll look back on how this technology is being used for actual real evil, and have to deal with the fact that your early naivety about the "value" you were bringing helped get us to that point.
      - kstrauser 1y ago
        Naïveté, and, IMO, a necessary deliberate desire to look the other way. “Hey, I’d love to see the ahem ‘qualified leads’ looking at this crisis pregnancy center website, or at the Border Patrol website, or at the IRS tax deduction FAQ website.” It’s so incredibly easy to imagine the ways this will be abused.
    - bugsMarathon88 1y ago
      I don't think anyone is questioning the value for business. Marketing precision and accuracy come at a cost. That cost is the degradation of privacy; and by secondary order effect: human freedom, dignity and autonomy. That the resulting byproduct of this phenomenon is increased efficiency is irrelevant and uninteresting to the principal discussion.
    - rsync 1y ago
      So, basically: “Call-for-pricing”-as-a-service.
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raywatcher 1y ago
Thanks for bringing this up. We don’t collect personal data or process any PII. We only enrich qualified, high‑intent buyer intelligence, and we do so solely for B2B. Some GTM vendors have experimented in this space, but we focus on AI‑native demand inference with far greater precision and efficiency, while always following strict safety and privacy practices.
- kstrauser 1y ago
  At first glance: If I visit one of your customer’s websites, have I given them permission to collect and process my personal information? Do you have a way to avoid collecting this PII for people in GDPR countries? If I were to send you a CCPA request, do you have a mechanism to completely avoid storing my information? I think this product is inherently incompatible with personal privacy, although I’d be interested in hearing why I’m wrong.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  > We don’t invade personal privacy. We only enrich qualified, high‑intent buyer intelligence, This is some fascinating mental gymnastics.
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Kiboneu 1y ago

> Why would you release this? Because it’s profitable.

kstrauser 1y ago
Alas. And so is dumping waste into rivers, but I hope people will continue to tell the people doing it that they’re wrong for doing so.
- raywatcher 1y ago
  Profit alone isn’t the motivation. Unlike polluting rivers, our goal isn’t to externalize costs onto society or the environment. We see a real problem: B2B teams waste massive time and budgets chasing unqualified leads, spamming prospects, and burning through acquisition dollars. By delivering truly high‑precision demand intelligence, we help businesses focus only on the buyers who actually want to talk, cutting down on unwanted outreach and wasted resources. In other words, our goal is to create efficiency and reduce friction for buyers, sellers, and the planet rather than offloading harm onto someone else.
  - yodon 1y ago
    One day you'll look back on how this technology is being used for actual real evil, and have to deal with the fact that your early naivety about the "value" you were bringing helped get us to that point.
    - kstrauser 1y ago
      Naïveté, and, IMO, a necessary deliberate desire to look the other way. “Hey, I’d love to see the ahem ‘qualified leads’ looking at this crisis pregnancy center website, or at the Border Patrol website, or at the IRS tax deduction FAQ website.” It’s so incredibly easy to imagine the ways this will be abused.
  - bugsMarathon88 1y ago
    I don't think anyone is questioning the value for business. Marketing precision and accuracy come at a cost. That cost is the degradation of privacy; and by secondary order effect: human freedom, dignity and autonomy. That the resulting byproduct of this phenomenon is increased efficiency is irrelevant and uninteresting to the principal discussion.
  - rsync 1y ago
    So, basically: “Call-for-pricing”-as-a-service.
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raywatcher 1y ago

Thanks for bringing this up. We don’t collect personal data or process any PII. We only enrich qualified, high‑intent buyer intelligence, and we do so solely for B2B. Some GTM vendors have experimented in this space, but we focus on AI‑native demand inference with far greater precision and efficiency, while always following strict safety and privacy practices.

kstrauser 1y ago
At first glance: If I visit one of your customer’s websites, have I given them permission to collect and process my personal information? Do you have a way to avoid collecting this PII for people in GDPR countries? If I were to send you a CCPA request, do you have a mechanism to completely avoid storing my information? I think this product is inherently incompatible with personal privacy, although I’d be interested in hearing why I’m wrong.
Aurornis 1y ago
> We don’t invade personal privacy. We only enrich qualified, high‑intent buyer intelligence, This is some fascinating mental gymnastics.
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