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if it's not intelligent enough to ask for rights is it intelligent?

andrewflnr 1y ago
Potentially. Why would problem solving ability entail emotions or ability to suffer, even if it had the ability to ask for things it wanted? It's a common mistake to assume those are inextricable.
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  Are you suggesting it would be better if the AGI we build is a psychopath? I think that's probably a bad idea, personally
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    I didn't say anything about what would be better. Only what's possible. But also "psychopath" is nowhere near what I described.
    - bluefirebrand 1y ago
      An intelligence without emotions would be a psychopath. Empathy is an emotion
      - dinkumthinkum 1y ago
        Empathy is not an emotion. Empathy is essentially the ability to experience the thoughts and feelings of other minds.
        bluefirebrand 1y ago
        The fact that empathy is not an emotion does not at all change what I'm saying. If you don't experience emotions, then you cannot experience empathy either
        andrewflnr 1y ago
        Let me quote your previous comment: > An intelligence without emotions would be a psychopath. Empathy is an emotion "Empathy is an emotion" was, in fact, an essential part of your syllogism. Regardless, we're potentially talking about something sufficiently inhuman that the term "psychopath" can no longer apply. If there was an ant colony that was somehow smart enough build and operate machinery or whatever and casually bulldozed people and their homes, would you call it a "psychopath", or just skip that and call it "terrifying"?
      - XorNot 1y ago
        High functioning psychopaths can live perfectly ordinary lives regardless.
        bluefirebrand 1y ago
        I'm not worried about the psychopaths in this scenario, I'm worried about their victims
        XorNot 1y ago
        You could not possibly have missed the point more[1]. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscien...

Potentially. Why would problem solving ability entail emotions or ability to suffer, even if it had the ability to ask for things it wanted? It's a common mistake to assume those are inextricable.

bluefirebrand 1y ago
Are you suggesting it would be better if the AGI we build is a psychopath? I think that's probably a bad idea, personally
- andrewflnr 1y ago
  I didn't say anything about what would be better. Only what's possible. But also "psychopath" is nowhere near what I described.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    An intelligence without emotions would be a psychopath. Empathy is an emotion
    - dinkumthinkum 1y ago
      Empathy is not an emotion. Empathy is essentially the ability to experience the thoughts and feelings of other minds.
      - bluefirebrand 1y ago
        The fact that empathy is not an emotion does not at all change what I'm saying. If you don't experience emotions, then you cannot experience empathy either
        andrewflnr 1y ago
        Let me quote your previous comment: > An intelligence without emotions would be a psychopath. Empathy is an emotion "Empathy is an emotion" was, in fact, an essential part of your syllogism. Regardless, we're potentially talking about something sufficiently inhuman that the term "psychopath" can no longer apply. If there was an ant colony that was somehow smart enough build and operate machinery or whatever and casually bulldozed people and their homes, would you call it a "psychopath", or just skip that and call it "terrifying"?
    - XorNot 1y ago
      High functioning psychopaths can live perfectly ordinary lives regardless.
      - bluefirebrand 1y ago
        I'm not worried about the psychopaths in this scenario, I'm worried about their victims
        XorNot 1y ago
        You could not possibly have missed the point more[1]. [1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscien...