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> Jurisdictional safeguards have always been snake oil. The lore persists from thepiratebay's stand against copyright enforcers (basing themselves from countri

> Jurisdictional safeguards have always been snake oil. The lore persists from thepiratebay's stand against copyright enforcers (basing themselves from countries like Sweden)? > the IC is literally chartered to grab things from servers in countries like Switzerland tbf, even if Switzerland might not be it, just like tax havens, there has to be colo havens? Before the AI hype, VCs (I mean, engs) did try to ram down web3 / decentralised tech (like helium, golem, storj/filecoin), but I guess those didn't catch on with these mainstream VPN/privacy types.

akerl_ 1y ago
The best colo haven if you're worried about US IC interference is the US. As tptacek noted above, things like due process apply to the US government's interactions with US entities. There are entire slices of the US IC apparatus whose lens is pointed internationally and where far fewer protections apply.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  Is there due process for people being accused of terrorism, treason, etc.?
  - akerl_ 1y ago
    Yes.
  - anonym29 1y ago
    Not only is there not due process for actual dangerous people, but the IC secretly collaborates internally and utilizes parallel construction to enable criminal prosecution of people who've been illegally targeted by mass surveillance and other capabilities possessed by global passive adversaries. Ross Ulbricht's indictment relied in part on deanonymization through Tor likely performed by timing analysis at the global backbone level, but the investigating agency (FBI) conveniently isn't required to reveal their methods. These days though, you don't even need to be guilty of horrific crimes like setting up websites that reduce real-world violence, merely publicly criticizing Israel is enough to have gangs of plainclothes deep state goons abduct and deport you, even if you're a lawful resident or citizen. These are the dividends we're paid for trusting a government that acts like an organized crime group. Democratic oversight mechanisms mean nothing when the heads of the intelligence community can lead a criminal conspiracy to conduct unconstitutional warrantless mass surveillance of the entire country and lie about it to congress, like when James Clapper lied to Ron Wyden's face while under oath, and face no consequences for doing so.
    - DaSHacka 1y ago
      > Ross Ulbricht's indictment relied in part on deanonymization through Tor likely performed by timing analysis at the global backbone level, but the investigating agency (FBI) conveniently isn't required to reveal their methods. I, uh, seriously doubt that much effort and sophistication was required to track him down, when he literally posted about the creation of the Silk Road publicly on an account tied to his full legal name [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest_and_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest_and_trial
    - sofixa 1y ago
      > horrific crimes like setting up websites that reduce real-world violence Are you still talking about Ross Ulbricht? I'd be curious to hear how you ended up with that as a description for Silk Road.
      - anonym29 1y ago
        “if Baltimore moved from street corners to online services, oh my god, do you know how much fewer shootings we'd have every year? Which equates to fewer homicides.” - Neill Franklin, 34-year law enforcement veteran of the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-war-on-drugs-this-revolution https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-war-on-drugs-this-revol... p.s. sorry for taking so long to find the reference I was thinking of
  - tptacek 1y ago
    Does it matter? There's affirmative process for targeting people abroad believed to be involved in terrorism; that is to say: the FVEY IC is practically compelled to target them. It doesn't need permission from any court to do so. You can argue that the legal protections from housing your data in US jurisdictions is marginal. I won't argue. But you can't argue that your legal protections are worse in the US, because the places you put your data outside of the US have no legal protections at all. People always misinterpret these arguments as somehow sticking up for the US and the protections it offers residents. No. It's a descriptive argument, not a normative one.
DrewADesign 1y ago
Is sealand still a thing?
- mdaniel 1y ago
  Could be, but getting a fiber drop and 100kw of power would be ... something else
  - DrewADesign 1y ago
    Yeah for sure, but they’ve got a great heat dissipation capacity and potentially a lot of money to build it out if the right entities see value in it.
anonym29 1y ago
I love Bitcoin and Monero, I love VPNs and tor and i2p and e2ee and FDE and plausible deniability and kill switches and all other manner of privacy tech. None of this needed or benefitted from shitcoin integration.

akerl_ 1y ago

The best colo haven if you're worried about US IC interference is the US. As tptacek noted above, things like due process apply to the US government's interactions with US entities. There are entire slices of the US IC apparatus whose lens is pointed internationally and where far fewer protections apply.

johnisgood 1y ago
Is there due process for people being accused of terrorism, treason, etc.?
- akerl_ 1y ago
  Yes.
- anonym29 1y ago
  Not only is there not due process for actual dangerous people, but the IC secretly collaborates internally and utilizes parallel construction to enable criminal prosecution of people who've been illegally targeted by mass surveillance and other capabilities possessed by global passive adversaries. Ross Ulbricht's indictment relied in part on deanonymization through Tor likely performed by timing analysis at the global backbone level, but the investigating agency (FBI) conveniently isn't required to reveal their methods. These days though, you don't even need to be guilty of horrific crimes like setting up websites that reduce real-world violence, merely publicly criticizing Israel is enough to have gangs of plainclothes deep state goons abduct and deport you, even if you're a lawful resident or citizen. These are the dividends we're paid for trusting a government that acts like an organized crime group. Democratic oversight mechanisms mean nothing when the heads of the intelligence community can lead a criminal conspiracy to conduct unconstitutional warrantless mass surveillance of the entire country and lie about it to congress, like when James Clapper lied to Ron Wyden's face while under oath, and face no consequences for doing so.
  - DaSHacka 1y ago
    > Ross Ulbricht's indictment relied in part on deanonymization through Tor likely performed by timing analysis at the global backbone level, but the investigating agency (FBI) conveniently isn't required to reveal their methods. I, uh, seriously doubt that much effort and sophistication was required to track him down, when he literally posted about the creation of the Silk Road publicly on an account tied to his full legal name [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest_and_trial https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht#Arrest_and_trial
  - sofixa 1y ago
    > horrific crimes like setting up websites that reduce real-world violence Are you still talking about Ross Ulbricht? I'd be curious to hear how you ended up with that as a description for Silk Road.
    - anonym29 1y ago
      “if Baltimore moved from street corners to online services, oh my god, do you know how much fewer shootings we'd have every year? Which equates to fewer homicides.” - Neill Franklin, 34-year law enforcement veteran of the Maryland State Police and Baltimore Police Department https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-war-on-drugs-this-revolution https://www.theodysseyonline.com/the-war-on-drugs-this-revol... p.s. sorry for taking so long to find the reference I was thinking of
- tptacek 1y ago
  Does it matter? There's affirmative process for targeting people abroad believed to be involved in terrorism; that is to say: the FVEY IC is practically compelled to target them. It doesn't need permission from any court to do so. You can argue that the legal protections from housing your data in US jurisdictions is marginal. I won't argue. But you can't argue that your legal protections are worse in the US, because the places you put your data outside of the US have no legal protections at all. People always misinterpret these arguments as somehow sticking up for the US and the protections it offers residents. No. It's a descriptive argument, not a normative one.

DrewADesign 1y ago

Is sealand still a thing?

mdaniel 1y ago
Could be, but getting a fiber drop and 100kw of power would be ... something else
- DrewADesign 1y ago
  Yeah for sure, but they’ve got a great heat dissipation capacity and potentially a lot of money to build it out if the right entities see value in it.

anonym29 1y ago

I love Bitcoin and Monero, I love VPNs and tor and i2p and e2ee and FDE and plausible deniability and kill switches and all other manner of privacy tech. None of this needed or benefitted from shitcoin integration.