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I'm a US citizen. If I illegally enter Japan or Mexico, am I not committing a crime? I would expect to (and both of these countries would) be arrested and retu

I'm a US citizen. If I illegally enter Japan or Mexico, am I not committing a crime? I would expect to (and both of these countries would) be arrested and returned to the US, usually after being fined and not allowed re-entry. An Alien is the correct and proper name for a non-resident. Someone who illegally enters a country is an Illegal Alien. Are Japan and Mexico on the verge of committing mass murder?

dathinab 1y ago
> An Alien is the correct and proper name for a non-resident. no it's not and never was tourist aren't alias they are foreigners not aliens illegal immigrants are immigrants even if they come in illegally this always has been racist de-humanizing language used to make people not thing about this groups as humans which then is used to facilitate more extrem and violent actions against such groups And yes you will probably find it in some laws, like especially from around the time the KKK had been big int he US. US problems with right wing extremism in forms looking quite similar to fascism predate the rise of fascism in Europe which lead to Nazis and WW2. (And lets also not forget there where quite a bunch of people in the US who wanted to join the Nazis not fight them and some companies have supplied Nazis Germany with resources (e.g. Oil) quite long into the war far beyond the "we didn't know better" point). This kind of approach of tweaking language is btw. one of the major *parts* about how the Nazis managed to first put all Jews in Germany in Labor Camps and then later build Death Camps in Poland without it leading to a internal civil war, they used constant dehumanizing language to make people not think about Jews as humans and as such remove sympathy, pity and so on. This is also why you find stories of leading KZ personal saving some Jewish child or similar, because somehow they ended up seeing that individual child as human again and in turn started having feeling of sympathy, pity and in general "killing them being wrong". But only to that specific individual not the group of prisoner in general. To be clear, that isn't supposed to say MEGA is Nazis, they probably are not. But this doesn't mean you can't compare things which have similarity, like MEGA leaning propaganda using increasingly more dehumanizing language and brutal/rule by force arguments, and MEGA associated politicians mostly just going "thumps up seems fine" wrt. this propaganda, or even repeat it them self. And that should still have you very worried. You don't need to go to Nazi level bs to have a very bad situation. > Japan 1-to-1 translating words out of context tends to not work, as it loses suitability. Like you could translate "Fremder" to "alien" and then claim German is using that language, too. But it still would be wrong as in the given context the right translation would be "stranger" or "foreigner", and alien as close to never the right translation. > Maxico inmigrante ilegal, extraño, extranjero. And yes extranjero can be translated as alien _or foreigner_, but this again is where subtilities of languages and languages in general not having a perfectly 1-to-1 mapping words come in. Also the translation of illegal immigrant is still inmigrante ilegal, not extranjero ilegal. Also putting all that aside when was the last time mass murder wasn't quite frequent in Mexico? Like there is a good reason why people flee this country and try to immigrate into the US even today even if it's illegal and means being abused for cheap labor for the rest of your live. Anyway in English Alien has a VERY different connotation then foreigner, immigrant etc. and administration pretending to not know that and that it's just a normal word for people-not-from-here is just hypocrisy.
- vorpalhex 1y ago
  From the French, _alien_, "foreigner". What connotations you attach to it are your problem. And yes, a tourist is an alien, including myself when tourist-ing.

dathinab 1y ago

> An Alien is the correct and proper name for a non-resident. no it's not and never was tourist aren't alias they are foreigners not aliens illegal immigrants are immigrants even if they come in illegally this always has been racist de-humanizing language used to make people not thing about this groups as humans which then is used to facilitate more extrem and violent actions against such groups And yes you will probably find it in some laws, like especially from around the time the KKK had been big int he US. US problems with right wing extremism in forms looking quite similar to fascism predate the rise of fascism in Europe which lead to Nazis and WW2. (And lets also not forget there where quite a bunch of people in the US who wanted to join the Nazis not fight them and some companies have supplied Nazis Germany with resources (e.g. Oil) quite long into the war far beyond the "we didn't know better" point). This kind of approach of tweaking language is btw. one of the major *parts* about how the Nazis managed to first put all Jews in Germany in Labor Camps and then later build Death Camps in Poland without it leading to a internal civil war, they used constant dehumanizing language to make people not think about Jews as humans and as such remove sympathy, pity and so on. This is also why you find stories of leading KZ personal saving some Jewish child or similar, because somehow they ended up seeing that individual child as human again and in turn started having feeling of sympathy, pity and in general "killing them being wrong". But only to that specific individual not the group of prisoner in general. To be clear, that isn't supposed to say MEGA is Nazis, they probably are not. But this doesn't mean you can't compare things which have similarity, like MEGA leaning propaganda using increasingly more dehumanizing language and brutal/rule by force arguments, and MEGA associated politicians mostly just going "thumps up seems fine" wrt. this propaganda, or even repeat it them self. And that should still have you very worried. You don't need to go to Nazi level bs to have a very bad situation. > Japan 1-to-1 translating words out of context tends to not work, as it loses suitability. Like you could translate "Fremder" to "alien" and then claim German is using that language, too. But it still would be wrong as in the given context the right translation would be "stranger" or "foreigner", and alien as close to never the right translation. > Maxico inmigrante ilegal, extraño, extranjero. And yes extranjero can be translated as alien _or foreigner_, but this again is where subtilities of languages and languages in general not having a perfectly 1-to-1 mapping words come in. Also the translation of illegal immigrant is still inmigrante ilegal, not extranjero ilegal. Also putting all that aside when was the last time mass murder wasn't quite frequent in Mexico? Like there is a good reason why people flee this country and try to immigrate into the US even today even if it's illegal and means being abused for cheap labor for the rest of your live. Anyway in English Alien has a VERY different connotation then foreigner, immigrant etc. and administration pretending to not know that and that it's just a normal word for people-not-from-here is just hypocrisy.

vorpalhex 1y ago
From the French, _alien_, "foreigner". What connotations you attach to it are your problem. And yes, a tourist is an alien, including myself when tourist-ing.