> smalltalk and common lisp don't qualify as popular languages. Sure, Smalltalk isn't, but Lisp is a different story. In this context I assume we all mean to

> smalltalk and common lisp don't qualify as popular languages. Sure, Smalltalk isn't, but Lisp is a different story. In this context I assume we all mean to say "Lisp" and not "Common Lisp" specifically. Lisp (as the entire family of PLs) is quite massively popular. Standard rankings have major blind spots for Lisp measurement, they miss things like, for example, Emacs Lisp is everywhere. There's tons of Elisp on GitHub alone, and let me remind you, it's not a "general-purpose" language, its sole function is to be used to configure a text editor and there's mind-boggling amount of it out there. AutoLISP is heavily used in CAD/engineering but rarely discussed online. Many Lisp codebases are proprietary/internal. Also, dialect fragmentation artificially deflates numbers when measured separately - many rankings consider them different languages. If you count all Lisp dialects together and include: Emacs Lisp codebases, AutoLISP scripts in engineering, Research/academic usage, Embedded Lisps in applications, Clojure on JVM and other platforms - babashka scripts, Flutter apps, Clojurescript web apps, etc; ...Lisp would likely rank much higher than typical surveys suggest - possibly in the top ten by actual lines of code in active use.