I’m pretty sure most of the people you are talking about aren’t confident that, in the scenarios they describe, that the computer would have any kind of interio

I’m pretty sure most of the people you are talking about aren’t confident that, in the scenarios they describe, that the computer would have any kind of interiority. I believe most of them believe that it is in principle possible for a program to have interiority (if doing e.g. full brain emulation, which is very difficult from LLMs), but that it is probably not necessary for it to do the things they are concerned about. If Napoleon Bonaparte had been replaced with a p-zombie he would have been no less capable of conquering.