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Debian, at least until bookworm works perfectly without systemd. The easiest way to make this transition, is to installed Debian with nothing but 'standard sys

by b112 1y ago

Debian, at least until bookworm works perfectly without systemd. The easiest way to make this transition, is to installed Debian with nothing but 'standard system utilities' and 'SSH server' (if you want) during install: https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774f25bc92098cb84c7de406faf25e65c6b227b.png https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774... Once install is done, login and save this file: /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # this is the only systemd package that is required, so we up its priority first... Package: libsystemd0 Pin: release bookworm Pin-Priority: 700 /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # exclude the rest Package: systemd Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: *systemd* Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:i386 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:amd64 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 After: apt-get install sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils Reboot then: apt-get purge systemd There are a few edge cases, packages which require systemd, but I've been running thousands of systems including desktops this way for a decade. Yes, I also run thousands of systems with systemd too.

JdeBP 1y ago
It's important to remember that it has to be this aggressive in excluding systemd, too. There is quite a lot of strong coupling amongst the parts of systemd, so there are very few half-measure scenarios, where one can have only some systemd stuff, that will actually function correctly in toto. Moreover, there are the odd one or two unrelated packages that just happen to have the string "systemd" in their names. (-:
spookie 1y ago
Have you looked at Devuan? Genuinely a good experience.
tremon 1y ago
Note that this will still allow systemd-udevd because it's packaged under its original name, udev.
- LooseMarmoset 1y ago
  yeah. you need eudev instead. still, I appreciate the guide!

by b112 1y ago

JdeBP 1y ago

It's important to remember that it has to be this aggressive in excluding systemd, too. There is quite a lot of strong coupling amongst the parts of systemd, so there are very few half-measure scenarios, where one can have only some systemd stuff, that will actually function correctly in toto. Moreover, there are the odd one or two unrelated packages that just happen to have the string "systemd" in their names. (-:

spookie 1y ago

Have you looked at Devuan? Genuinely a good experience.

tremon 1y ago

Note that this will still allow systemd-udevd because it's packaged under its original name, udev.

LooseMarmoset 1y ago
yeah. you need eudev instead. still, I appreciate the guide!