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You can't reap the rewards from a highly free market country while also interfering with the free market. There are countries where that gap is lower where you

by m00x 1y ago

You can't reap the rewards from a highly free market country while also interfering with the free market. There are countries where that gap is lower where you can move to if you really care about this. Most of Europe is a lot more equal, but you'll take a significant pay cut.

hollywood_court 1y ago
We do plenty of interfering with the free market. We just don't do it in ways that benefit the workers.
greedo 1y ago
There's no such thing as a free market.
standardUser 1y ago
Binary thinking like that is a rhetorical trick, and a lazy one, that ignores both the diversity of existing market-oriented nations and the reality that these systems are not static. Not to mention that the American system is one of constant, frequent, and oftentimes contradictory forms of market interference, even if the manner of interference differs a bit from Western norms.
tartoran 1y ago
> You can't reap the rewards from a highly free market country while also interfering with the free market. Look deeper into who's reaping all the benefits and who's interefering with the market.
mattmanser 1y ago
Those rewards are failing, so yes you can. Your argument is just trickle down economics dressed up. But worse, we know that doesn't work. Not, we think. WE KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK. In fact, once you realize it's just the same tired trickle down economics argument, then when you start asking why is growth stalling, why are living standards falling? You can easily answer it. Because trickle down economics don't work. Because too much value is being captured by a tiny minority, who use that capital poorly.
_DeadFred_ 1y ago
Have you studied free markets? They ONLY work long term when you have a strong hand 'interfering' in them. By design, from their very first proponents, having a strong hand step in was expected/understood to be required to keep them working long term.

by m00x 1y ago

hollywood_court 1y ago

We do plenty of interfering with the free market. We just don't do it in ways that benefit the workers.

greedo 1y ago

There's no such thing as a free market.

standardUser 1y ago

Binary thinking like that is a rhetorical trick, and a lazy one, that ignores both the diversity of existing market-oriented nations and the reality that these systems are not static. Not to mention that the American system is one of constant, frequent, and oftentimes contradictory forms of market interference, even if the manner of interference differs a bit from Western norms.

tartoran 1y ago

> You can't reap the rewards from a highly free market country while also interfering with the free market. Look deeper into who's reaping all the benefits and who's interefering with the market.

mattmanser 1y ago

Those rewards are failing, so yes you can. Your argument is just trickle down economics dressed up. But worse, we know that doesn't work. Not, we think. WE KNOW IT DOESN'T WORK. In fact, once you realize it's just the same tired trickle down economics argument, then when you start asking why is growth stalling, why are living standards falling? You can easily answer it. Because trickle down economics don't work. Because too much value is being captured by a tiny minority, who use that capital poorly.

_DeadFred_ 1y ago

Have you studied free markets? They ONLY work long term when you have a strong hand 'interfering' in them. By design, from their very first proponents, having a strong hand step in was expected/understood to be required to keep them working long term.