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This particular approach has been tried many times before. I remember back when Microsoft introduced Aero transparency effects in Vista, and then had them diale

This particular approach has been tried many times before. I remember back when Microsoft introduced Aero transparency effects in Vista, and then had them dialed down substantially in Win7, in the same exact way ("frosted glass") that Apple seems to be speedrunning through in iOS betas right now. So yes, it will be fixed, and the fix is easy. They just have to accept the fact that the "liquid" part needs to be strongly de-emphasized in favor of readability. It would be nice if they just did that and saved us all the grief, but worst case we'll just end in the same exact spot moving there step by step.

troupo 1y ago
> So yes, it will be fixed, and the fix is easy. They just have to accept the fact that the "liquid" part They tried it in betas. De-emphasizing "liquid glass" just turns everything into a dirty blur. The difference from Aero is that Microsoft was smart and never applied the effects to contents of things: it was always in windows chrome, and never in the controls or toolbars. Liquid Glass boasts glass/transparency/translucency/distortions basically everywhere. As betas show, they didn't test it even with the most basic real-world scenarios, and they cannot easily fix it without turning it off or making it quite ugly.
- int_19h 1y ago
  It wasn't just chrome in Vista. The taskbar was translucent, large parts of the Start menu were translucent, window titles were translucent (including minimize/maximize/close buttons). And controls and toolbars were bleeding into the chrome part of windows, so while the widgets themselves were opaque, they were placed on translucent background. And for some apps they went all in, e.g. Media Player. Here's a random screenshot from image search: https://live.staticflickr.com/90/245324637_1e615ef573_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/90/245324637_1e615ef573_b.jpg I remember going into settings and turning it all off because of how annoying it was. But then Win7 came and turned up the frosted glass effect throughout, and that largely fixed all the outstanding issues.
  - troupo 1y ago
    It's funny because I saw this image side by side with Liquid Glass (can't find the tweet right now), and Vista looked almost opaque in comparison :) Hence my comment. Memory is a funny thing

troupo 1y ago

> So yes, it will be fixed, and the fix is easy. They just have to accept the fact that the "liquid" part They tried it in betas. De-emphasizing "liquid glass" just turns everything into a dirty blur. The difference from Aero is that Microsoft was smart and never applied the effects to contents of things: it was always in windows chrome, and never in the controls or toolbars. Liquid Glass boasts glass/transparency/translucency/distortions basically everywhere. As betas show, they didn't test it even with the most basic real-world scenarios, and they cannot easily fix it without turning it off or making it quite ugly.

int_19h 1y ago
It wasn't just chrome in Vista. The taskbar was translucent, large parts of the Start menu were translucent, window titles were translucent (including minimize/maximize/close buttons). And controls and toolbars were bleeding into the chrome part of windows, so while the widgets themselves were opaque, they were placed on translucent background. And for some apps they went all in, e.g. Media Player. Here's a random screenshot from image search: https://live.staticflickr.com/90/245324637_1e615ef573_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/90/245324637_1e615ef573_b.jpg I remember going into settings and turning it all off because of how annoying it was. But then Win7 came and turned up the frosted glass effect throughout, and that largely fixed all the outstanding issues.
- troupo 1y ago
  It's funny because I saw this image side by side with Liquid Glass (can't find the tweet right now), and Vista looked almost opaque in comparison :) Hence my comment. Memory is a funny thing