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I ended up in gentoo mostly just to avoid systemd (used it before, mostly to learn. went to debian for new laptop. gave up after fighting systemd. I'm aware of

I ended up in gentoo mostly just to avoid systemd (used it before, mostly to learn. went to debian for new laptop. gave up after fighting systemd. I'm aware of devuan and artix, but gentoo just worked (after all the time spent))

b112 1y ago
Debian, at least until bookworm works perfectly without systemd. The easiest way to make this transition, is to installed Debian with nothing but 'standard system utilities' and 'SSH server' (if you want) during install: https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774f25bc92098cb84c7de406faf25e65c6b227b.png https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774... Once install is done, login and save this file: /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # this is the only systemd package that is required, so we up its priority first... Package: libsystemd0 Pin: release bookworm Pin-Priority: 700 /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # exclude the rest Package: systemd Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: *systemd* Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:i386 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:amd64 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 After: apt-get install sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils Reboot then: apt-get purge systemd There are a few edge cases, packages which require systemd, but I've been running thousands of systems including desktops this way for a decade. Yes, I also run thousands of systems with systemd too.
- JdeBP 1y ago
  It's important to remember that it has to be this aggressive in excluding systemd, too. There is quite a lot of strong coupling amongst the parts of systemd, so there are very few half-measure scenarios, where one can have only some systemd stuff, that will actually function correctly in toto. Moreover, there are the odd one or two unrelated packages that just happen to have the string "systemd" in their names. (-:
- spookie 1y ago
  Have you looked at Devuan? Genuinely a good experience.
- tremon 1y ago
  Note that this will still allow systemd-udevd because it's packaged under its original name, udev.
  - LooseMarmoset 1y ago
    yeah. you need eudev instead. still, I appreciate the guide!
tpoindex 1y ago
MX Linux for the win. Debian based, but defaults to 'init'. Booting with systemd is an option. Just enough systemd-* running to make things easy and seamless. $ ps agxf|grep 'systemd' 607 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd 2201 ? S 0:00 /sbin/cgmanager --daemon -m name=systemd 2726 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind Also can install Nvidia or AMD video drivers.

b112 1y ago

Debian, at least until bookworm works perfectly without systemd. The easiest way to make this transition, is to installed Debian with nothing but 'standard system utilities' and 'SSH server' (if you want) during install: https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774f25bc92098cb84c7de406faf25e65c6b227b.png https://forum.qubes-os.org/uploads/db3820/original/2X/c/c774... Once install is done, login and save this file: /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # this is the only systemd package that is required, so we up its priority first... Package: libsystemd0 Pin: release bookworm Pin-Priority: 700 /etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd # exclude the rest Package: systemd Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: *systemd* Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:i386 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd:amd64 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 After: apt-get install sysvinit sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils Reboot then: apt-get purge systemd There are a few edge cases, packages which require systemd, but I've been running thousands of systems including desktops this way for a decade. Yes, I also run thousands of systems with systemd too.

JdeBP 1y ago
It's important to remember that it has to be this aggressive in excluding systemd, too. There is quite a lot of strong coupling amongst the parts of systemd, so there are very few half-measure scenarios, where one can have only some systemd stuff, that will actually function correctly in toto. Moreover, there are the odd one or two unrelated packages that just happen to have the string "systemd" in their names. (-:
spookie 1y ago
Have you looked at Devuan? Genuinely a good experience.
tremon 1y ago
Note that this will still allow systemd-udevd because it's packaged under its original name, udev.
- LooseMarmoset 1y ago
  yeah. you need eudev instead. still, I appreciate the guide!

tpoindex 1y ago

MX Linux for the win. Debian based, but defaults to 'init'. Booting with systemd is an option. Just enough systemd-* running to make things easy and seamless. $ ps agxf|grep 'systemd' 607 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd 2201 ? S 0:00 /sbin/cgmanager --daemon -m name=systemd 2726 ? S 0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-logind Also can install Nvidia or AMD video drivers.