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Started using Zed about a year ago and, besides Magit, it has managed to completely replace Emacs for me. I was missing a good debugger for a long time, but tha

Started using Zed about a year ago and, besides Magit, it has managed to completely replace Emacs for me. I was missing a good debugger for a long time, but that also went GA a month ago or so. One thing that goes underappreciated is the input latency and how light on resources the editor is overall. Whenever I switch tabs to a web browser (or any web app), I can feel the lag in typing now, despite the fact I use an M3 Max MacBook Pro. Zed's built-in terminal used to feel high-latency too, but they recently shipped a bunch of performance improvements, and it's just amazing how clunky inputs feel in web apps feel after using Zed for a long time. Two things I find interesting about this development. 1. This is a long-standing feature request ever since Zed added any AI capability. Adding AI-related functionality at all was a very controversial move at the time. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41302782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41302782 2. Text threads in Zed came out only 11 months ago. At the time, it felt revolutionary being able to effortlessly paste terminal output and entire folders into context. Additionally, being able to stop the LLM, correct part of its output, and have it continue code generation. Around 4 months ago, agentic coding released, and now this once-revolutionary workflow feels quite primitive. In the meantime, Zed also added screensharing, Linux support for collaboration, a Git UI, a debugger, and performance improvements to the editor.

anamexis 1y ago
I use Zed too, and as a longtime magit devotee, I've really been enjoying using gitu [0] in Zed. gitu doesn't have everything magit does, but there's not much I find myself missing. I have it nicely integrated with Zed by defining the following task, which you can then add a keybinding for if you want: { "label": "gitu", "command": "gitu", "reveal_target": "center", "hide": "always", "env": { "VISUAL": "zed", "GIT_EDITOR": "vim" } } [0] https://github.com/altsem/gitu https://github.com/altsem/gitu
taude 1y ago
These were the comments I came looking for. What existing users of Zed migrated from. I'm pretty curious to try it, but lacking some time to tool yak-shave at the moment.
cosmic_cheese 1y ago
Not currently using Zed but low input latency is one of the things that’s kept me on Sublime Text over the years. Might give Zed a shot and see how it stacks up. The other two editors I use a lot are Xcode and Android Studio, and while the first is usually fine, Android Studio (IntelliJ) feels servicable but a touch sluggish in comparison. Given the popularity of JetBrains IDEs I’m a bit surprised that there’s not more demand from customers to make it more responsive.
- Aurornis 1y ago
  JetBrains IDEs with their zero-latency typing mode are actually some of the most responsive editors for typing performance: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ They can definitely feel a bit sluggish navigating around once you have a giant codebase and you’re using a lot of features, but code editing has been very responsive for me.
- v3ss0n 1y ago
  Low latency isn't working well on Linux for zer
  - mmmmbbbhb 1y ago
    Agree . Zed has the worst input latency of any app I've used on Linux.
Alupis 1y ago
I took Zed for a test drive about a year ago, and absolutely loved how butter smooth it felt to use. It's impossible to describe to others... you must experience it to understand what you're missing. However, at least at the time, Zed's extension/plugin ecosystem prevented me from making the jump off vscode. Just like it took me a long while to ween myself off JetBrains and their workflow/plugins, it'll take a long while to do the same here - that's if an equivalent plugin exists (yet). It seems to me, it would be a killer feature for new IDE's to just embrace vscode's extensions and make them "just work". It would remove a lot of the barriers people have with switching IDE's. Maybe that's an impossible ask... I have no idea, but it would be pretty sweet.
- jrvieira 1y ago
  how does it compare to neovim in terms of input lag?
  - Alupis 1y ago
    I have not tried neovim, admittedly. Compared to Eclipse, IntelliJ, and now VScode, it's a completely different animal in terms of fluidity and smoothness. Usually when I've attempted to explain it to others, people counter with things like "but my IDE already feels smooth", etc. I thought so too, until I tried Zed. My only "complaint" was/is(?) the plugin ecosystem. It's a fairly new editor, so things might change in time.
    - v3ss0n 1y ago
      Which platform? Input and UIlag is worse than vscode In Linux. Vscode is quite smooth for me
      - Alupis 1y ago
        I'm on Fedora (kinoite). It was vastly better than vscode - especially when opening and scrolling large files, etc.
adham-omran 1y ago
What about other Emacs functions such as org-mode? Or did you never use them to begin with?
yahoozoo 1y ago
Why was adding AI integration controversial? You go to their website and it seems the AI integration is the whole point.
- watusername 1y ago
  You go to https://code.visualstudio.com https://code.visualstudio.com and it will appear that AI integration is the whole point too. How a thing is currently marketed != How people have been using it.

anamexis 1y ago

I use Zed too, and as a longtime magit devotee, I've really been enjoying using gitu [0] in Zed. gitu doesn't have everything magit does, but there's not much I find myself missing. I have it nicely integrated with Zed by defining the following task, which you can then add a keybinding for if you want: { "label": "gitu", "command": "gitu", "reveal_target": "center", "hide": "always", "env": { "VISUAL": "zed", "GIT_EDITOR": "vim" } } [0] https://github.com/altsem/gitu https://github.com/altsem/gitu

taude 1y ago

These were the comments I came looking for. What existing users of Zed migrated from. I'm pretty curious to try it, but lacking some time to tool yak-shave at the moment.

cosmic_cheese 1y ago

Not currently using Zed but low input latency is one of the things that’s kept me on Sublime Text over the years. Might give Zed a shot and see how it stacks up. The other two editors I use a lot are Xcode and Android Studio, and while the first is usually fine, Android Studio (IntelliJ) feels servicable but a touch sluggish in comparison. Given the popularity of JetBrains IDEs I’m a bit surprised that there’s not more demand from customers to make it more responsive.

Aurornis 1y ago
JetBrains IDEs with their zero-latency typing mode are actually some of the most responsive editors for typing performance: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ They can definitely feel a bit sluggish navigating around once you have a giant codebase and you’re using a lot of features, but code editing has been very responsive for me.
v3ss0n 1y ago
Low latency isn't working well on Linux for zer
- mmmmbbbhb 1y ago
  Agree . Zed has the worst input latency of any app I've used on Linux.

Alupis 1y ago

I took Zed for a test drive about a year ago, and absolutely loved how butter smooth it felt to use. It's impossible to describe to others... you must experience it to understand what you're missing. However, at least at the time, Zed's extension/plugin ecosystem prevented me from making the jump off vscode. Just like it took me a long while to ween myself off JetBrains and their workflow/plugins, it'll take a long while to do the same here - that's if an equivalent plugin exists (yet). It seems to me, it would be a killer feature for new IDE's to just embrace vscode's extensions and make them "just work". It would remove a lot of the barriers people have with switching IDE's. Maybe that's an impossible ask... I have no idea, but it would be pretty sweet.

jrvieira 1y ago
how does it compare to neovim in terms of input lag?
- Alupis 1y ago
  I have not tried neovim, admittedly. Compared to Eclipse, IntelliJ, and now VScode, it's a completely different animal in terms of fluidity and smoothness. Usually when I've attempted to explain it to others, people counter with things like "but my IDE already feels smooth", etc. I thought so too, until I tried Zed. My only "complaint" was/is(?) the plugin ecosystem. It's a fairly new editor, so things might change in time.
  - v3ss0n 1y ago
    Which platform? Input and UIlag is worse than vscode In Linux. Vscode is quite smooth for me
    - Alupis 1y ago
      I'm on Fedora (kinoite). It was vastly better than vscode - especially when opening and scrolling large files, etc.

adham-omran 1y ago

What about other Emacs functions such as org-mode? Or did you never use them to begin with?

yahoozoo 1y ago

Why was adding AI integration controversial? You go to their website and it seems the AI integration is the whole point.

watusername 1y ago
You go to https://code.visualstudio.com https://code.visualstudio.com and it will appear that AI integration is the whole point too. How a thing is currently marketed != How people have been using it.