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>The proposal sets a two-hour parking limit citywide for all RVs and oversized vehicles longer than 22 feet (7 meters) or higher than 7 feet (2 meters), regardl

>The proposal sets a two-hour parking limit citywide for all RVs and oversized vehicles longer than 22 feet (7 meters) or higher than 7 feet (2 meters), regardless of whether they are being used as housing. Maybe I'm jaded but I see this as a way to extract revenue from commercial vehicles while sailing under the flag of screwing the homeless so that it can be marketed to residents voters.

tuckerman 1y ago
I assume the forcing function is residents demanding the removal of the RVs, not a proposal from city hall that needs to be marketed properly. At least in San Jose there is a lot of grassroots efforts against RVs.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Whoever's forcing it to be written (which I agree is in large part the people) the people doing the writing care very deeply about city revenue and are experts in tweaking the minutia to get their pound of flesh for the city or at least reserve their right to collect it. Like I said, maybe I'm jaded, but that's what every big city I've ever known would do. If this was just about the problem RVs they could've easily exempted commercial trucks or put a 12 (enough to reset your logbook) or heck, 8 or 10 (a full day of work) limit on it. Yet they didn't do either of those and went with a time limit. This seems very clearly crafted to not exempt commercial vehicle drivers who are sleeping off their logbook and/or people who are driving commercial trucks to places where they will use the contents of those trucks for their business purposes.
wyre 1y ago
I understand the jaded perspective, but I’d think the only time a large commercial vehicle will be parked for that long will be on the business’s property. Otherwise it is out doing deliveries or whatever it is.
- fragmede 1y ago
  No? You go to the restaurant supply store with your oversized commercial vehicle, buy a shit ton of ingredients, go back to your restaurant, unload, then leave the vehicle parked while you use said ingredients to serve food all day.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    Um, what? You go to the restaurant with your box truck full of steam cleaning equipment and you deep clean the place. Without some sort of "being lived in" criteria law seems very clearly written to allow them to fine those people. Or you park your semi in a reasonable seeming place after your delivery for the day or whatever and sit on your butt for 10hr because that's what the law requires
    - fragmede 1y ago
      My point seems to be the same as one you're making - that commercial vehicles often stay in one place for many hours, and that this ordinance is money grab by the city against business owners. If I am misunderstanding your point, please let me know.
      - potato3732842 1y ago
        I thought you were saying the truck would only be out when being used and therefore not subject to enforcement because it's at whatever its home base is most of the time.

tuckerman 1y ago

I assume the forcing function is residents demanding the removal of the RVs, not a proposal from city hall that needs to be marketed properly. At least in San Jose there is a lot of grassroots efforts against RVs.

potato3732842 1y ago
Whoever's forcing it to be written (which I agree is in large part the people) the people doing the writing care very deeply about city revenue and are experts in tweaking the minutia to get their pound of flesh for the city or at least reserve their right to collect it. Like I said, maybe I'm jaded, but that's what every big city I've ever known would do. If this was just about the problem RVs they could've easily exempted commercial trucks or put a 12 (enough to reset your logbook) or heck, 8 or 10 (a full day of work) limit on it. Yet they didn't do either of those and went with a time limit. This seems very clearly crafted to not exempt commercial vehicle drivers who are sleeping off their logbook and/or people who are driving commercial trucks to places where they will use the contents of those trucks for their business purposes.

wyre 1y ago

I understand the jaded perspective, but I’d think the only time a large commercial vehicle will be parked for that long will be on the business’s property. Otherwise it is out doing deliveries or whatever it is.

fragmede 1y ago
No? You go to the restaurant supply store with your oversized commercial vehicle, buy a shit ton of ingredients, go back to your restaurant, unload, then leave the vehicle parked while you use said ingredients to serve food all day.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Um, what? You go to the restaurant with your box truck full of steam cleaning equipment and you deep clean the place. Without some sort of "being lived in" criteria law seems very clearly written to allow them to fine those people. Or you park your semi in a reasonable seeming place after your delivery for the day or whatever and sit on your butt for 10hr because that's what the law requires
  - fragmede 1y ago
    My point seems to be the same as one you're making - that commercial vehicles often stay in one place for many hours, and that this ordinance is money grab by the city against business owners. If I am misunderstanding your point, please let me know.
    - potato3732842 1y ago
      I thought you were saying the truck would only be out when being used and therefore not subject to enforcement because it's at whatever its home base is most of the time.