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People are going to HATE me for this, but I genuinely think: This feels like beating a dead horse... I had my Perl phase. I even wrote the first piece of code

by lynx97 1y ago

People are going to HATE me for this, but I genuinely think: This feels like beating a dead horse... I had my Perl phase. I even wrote the first piece of code for my employer in Perl. Well, it was a CGI script, so that was kind of natural back then. But really, since all the hollow Perl6 stuff I've seen, I've never really read or heard anything about the language in the past, what, 10 to 15 years? There are tons of languages out there, all with their own merits. But everything beyond Perl5 felt like someone was trying to piggyback on a legacy. If you invent a new language, thats fine, call it foobar and move on. But pretending to be the successor to Perl feels like a marketing stunt by now...

cestith 1y ago
Perl 5 got a development release within the last week, and the latest production release within the last month or so.
librasteve 1y ago
not sure I hate you :-) Raku has perl DNA running through it … both languages were authored by Larry Wall and the Raku (perl6 at the time) design process was to take RFAs from the perl community and to weave them together. I do wonder why you consider Raku to be hollow? Sure it has suffered from a general collapse of the user base and exodus to eg. Python. This has slowed the pace of development, but the language has been in full release since Oct 2015 and continues to have a very skilled core dev team developing and improving. There are several pretty unique features in Raku - built in Grammars, full on unicode grapheme support (in regexes), lazy evaluation, hyper operators, and so on that work well together. Maybe unpopular, true. But hollow?
jcynix 1y ago
No reason to hate you, just because you didn't pay attention ;-) Maybe take a look at the search results from https://duckduckgo.com/?q=perl%20conference%202025 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=perl%20conference%202025 and you'll learn that there are ongoing events related to Perl and Raku.
doublerabbit 1y ago
In future sight most of modern languages are coming from a C derivative. Perl isn't possible without C Python isn't possible without C Go isn't possible without C With those languages you can't get any more raw than C. Unlike a language like Pascal that is still modern today that as is based on ALGOL are forgotten about. Make's me wonder why such older languages were left behind. Just a ramble.
- dolmen 1y ago
  > Go isn't possible without C Nowadays the codebase of Go toolchain and runtime contains almost no C. Just for OS and C libraries interoperability. https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Agolang%2Fgo+lang%3AC+NOT+path%3Atestdata&type=code https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Agolang%2Fgo+lang%3AC+NOT+...

by lynx97 1y ago

cestith 1y ago

Perl 5 got a development release within the last week, and the latest production release within the last month or so.

librasteve 1y ago

not sure I hate you :-) Raku has perl DNA running through it … both languages were authored by Larry Wall and the Raku (perl6 at the time) design process was to take RFAs from the perl community and to weave them together. I do wonder why you consider Raku to be hollow? Sure it has suffered from a general collapse of the user base and exodus to eg. Python. This has slowed the pace of development, but the language has been in full release since Oct 2015 and continues to have a very skilled core dev team developing and improving. There are several pretty unique features in Raku - built in Grammars, full on unicode grapheme support (in regexes), lazy evaluation, hyper operators, and so on that work well together. Maybe unpopular, true. But hollow?

jcynix 1y ago

No reason to hate you, just because you didn't pay attention ;-) Maybe take a look at the search results from https://duckduckgo.com/?q=perl%20conference%202025 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=perl%20conference%202025 and you'll learn that there are ongoing events related to Perl and Raku.

doublerabbit 1y ago

In future sight most of modern languages are coming from a C derivative. Perl isn't possible without C Python isn't possible without C Go isn't possible without C With those languages you can't get any more raw than C. Unlike a language like Pascal that is still modern today that as is based on ALGOL are forgotten about. Make's me wonder why such older languages were left behind. Just a ramble.

dolmen 1y ago
> Go isn't possible without C Nowadays the codebase of Go toolchain and runtime contains almost no C. Just for OS and C libraries interoperability. https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Agolang%2Fgo+lang%3AC+NOT+path%3Atestdata&type=code https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Agolang%2Fgo+lang%3AC+NOT+...