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Apartheid, genocide and war crimes are not "culture war" issues.

by GordonS 1y ago

reliabilityguy 1y ago
So, basically anyone who pays taxes in the EU supports terrorism now?
- KetoManx64 1y ago
  If the mafia comes to your door and tells you that you need to pay them 50% of your income or they will come to your house and drag you to prison at gunpoint and shoot you if you resist, are you technically supporting the mafia's crimes when you pay them?
  - reliabilityguy 1y ago
    No one kills people for not paying taxes. Your example is dramatic and detached from reality. Original claim was based on stretching reality to the point of absurd, which I showed with my question.
    - redeeman 1y ago
      no, you just get hauled away to prison, all your belongings stolen, your kids taken away, etc. but hey, they wont shoot you!
    - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
      > No one kills people for not paying taxes. Your example is dramatic and detached from reality. What do you think actually happens in the US if you refuse to pay taxes to such an extent that they come to arrest you for it, and then when they do you put up a fight? See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
      - reliabilityguy 1y ago
        What a way to make Waco siege to fit your narrative.
        AnthonyMouse 1y ago
        It's what happened there though?
gruez 1y ago
>Apartheid, genocide and war crimes are not "culture war" issues. "Culture war" doesn't literally mean culture stuff like religion. It basically covers any controversial issue over ideology. From wikipedia: >A culture war is a form of cultural conflict (metaphorical "war") between different social groups who struggle to politically impose their own ideology (moral beliefs, humane virtues, and religious practices) upon mainstream society,[1][2] or upon the other. In political usage, culture war is a metaphor for "hot-button" politics about values and ideologies, realized with intentionally adversarial social narratives meant to provoke political polarization among the mainstream of society over economic matters,[3][4] such as those of public policy,[5] as well as of consumption.[1] As practical politics, a culture war is about social policy wedge issues that are based on abstract arguments about values, morality, and lifestyle meant to provoke political cleavage in a multicultural society.[2] Of course, everyone thinks their issue is a Super Serious Issue that isn't culture war, and their side is so obviously correct that the idea controversy exists at all is absurd, so you really can't take someone's word that it's not a culture war issue. The Wikipedia article agrees with this. It lists such serious issues as trans rights, education policy, and obamacare. I'm sure if you asked strong supporters/opponents for those issues, they'd scoff at the characterization of "culture war".
exe34 1y ago
Your mistake is to assume you have won the social media campaign to legitimize those claims.

Apartheid, genocide and war crimes are not "culture war" issues.

reliabilityguy 1y ago

So, basically anyone who pays taxes in the EU supports terrorism now?

KetoManx64 1y ago
If the mafia comes to your door and tells you that you need to pay them 50% of your income or they will come to your house and drag you to prison at gunpoint and shoot you if you resist, are you technically supporting the mafia's crimes when you pay them?
- reliabilityguy 1y ago
  No one kills people for not paying taxes. Your example is dramatic and detached from reality. Original claim was based on stretching reality to the point of absurd, which I showed with my question.
  - redeeman 1y ago
    no, you just get hauled away to prison, all your belongings stolen, your kids taken away, etc. but hey, they wont shoot you!
  - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
    > No one kills people for not paying taxes. Your example is dramatic and detached from reality. What do you think actually happens in the US if you refuse to pay taxes to such an extent that they come to arrest you for it, and then when they do you put up a fight? See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege
    - reliabilityguy 1y ago
      What a way to make Waco siege to fit your narrative.
      - AnthonyMouse 1y ago
        It's what happened there though?

gruez 1y ago

>Apartheid, genocide and war crimes are not "culture war" issues. "Culture war" doesn't literally mean culture stuff like religion. It basically covers any controversial issue over ideology. From wikipedia: >A culture war is a form of cultural conflict (metaphorical "war") between different social groups who struggle to politically impose their own ideology (moral beliefs, humane virtues, and religious practices) upon mainstream society,[1][2] or upon the other. In political usage, culture war is a metaphor for "hot-button" politics about values and ideologies, realized with intentionally adversarial social narratives meant to provoke political polarization among the mainstream of society over economic matters,[3][4] such as those of public policy,[5] as well as of consumption.[1] As practical politics, a culture war is about social policy wedge issues that are based on abstract arguments about values, morality, and lifestyle meant to provoke political cleavage in a multicultural society.[2] Of course, everyone thinks their issue is a Super Serious Issue that isn't culture war, and their side is so obviously correct that the idea controversy exists at all is absurd, so you really can't take someone's word that it's not a culture war issue. The Wikipedia article agrees with this. It lists such serious issues as trans rights, education policy, and obamacare. I'm sure if you asked strong supporters/opponents for those issues, they'd scoff at the characterization of "culture war".

exe34 1y ago

Your mistake is to assume you have won the social media campaign to legitimize those claims.