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You keep confusing "giving women the option to X" with "forcing women to X". > It's always about "safety for women" ... Complete bullshit. It's not bullshit.

by n4r9 1y ago

You keep confusing "giving women the option to X" with "forcing women to X". > It's always about "safety for women" ... Complete bullshit. It's not bullshit. What underhand motivation do you think is at work here? Uber famously had a terrible track record on sexual assault (overwhelmingly by men against women), but through policies like this have gradually been working it down. > Should we have separate train cars for females? It's not a terrible idea. From talking to women, there is a lot of fear of getting on trains alone at night. If they felt safer about it then it could be a net positive both for public safety and the economy. It has actually been floated in UK politics recently: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/women-only-train-carriages-chris-williamson-jeremy-corbyn_uk_599c5171e4b04c532f449df9 https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/women-only-train-carr...

shafyy 1y ago
I am not saying Uber is doing this with some underhand motivation. Not blaming Uber here. My point is broader one. That the more separation (even if optional) we introduce, the worse its impact on gender equality. What we should do is try to tackle the root causes.
- n4r9 1y ago
  What do you think Uber could do to tackle the root causes? What would you say are the root causes?
  - shafyy 1y ago
    I don't work at Uber, so I don't know what they are doing. But what some things Uber could do, just off of the top of my head: - Take complaints more seriously - When selecting drivers, have a more rigourous selection procedure regarding this topic What we as society can do? Many things, but let me list some that just spring to mind: - Stop objectifying women in ads, movies, porn, popular culture and other places - Stop treating nudity as some kind of crazy thing (of both genders, but again, double standards here because male topless nudity is not a big deal, but female is) - Providing more suport for women who have been stalked or harassed or raped by men (ideally, so that we can pre-emptively stop those activities, not after it's too late) - Education: Include gender education early on in school, mixed gender sports classes, mixed bathrooms, etc.
    - n4r9 1y ago
      It's a great list. I believe Uber has improved on both of those items although could still do better (see e.g. [0]). The issue with the second list is that it takes a long time to encourage that sort of social progress. It's extremely difficult to undo years of conditioning, so I think we have to wait it out until that generation ages out. In the meantime providing safety options for women in limited high-risk scenarios feels very jutifiable. And we continually reassess what those scenarios are so that we're allocating those measures in an efficient and moderated way. [0] https://helpingsurvivors.org/rideshare-sexual-assault/how-are-drivers-vetted/ https://helpingsurvivors.org/rideshare-sexual-assault/how-ar...

by n4r9 1y ago

shafyy 1y ago

I am not saying Uber is doing this with some underhand motivation. Not blaming Uber here. My point is broader one. That the more separation (even if optional) we introduce, the worse its impact on gender equality. What we should do is try to tackle the root causes.

n4r9 1y ago
What do you think Uber could do to tackle the root causes? What would you say are the root causes?
- shafyy 1y ago
  I don't work at Uber, so I don't know what they are doing. But what some things Uber could do, just off of the top of my head: - Take complaints more seriously - When selecting drivers, have a more rigourous selection procedure regarding this topic What we as society can do? Many things, but let me list some that just spring to mind: - Stop objectifying women in ads, movies, porn, popular culture and other places - Stop treating nudity as some kind of crazy thing (of both genders, but again, double standards here because male topless nudity is not a big deal, but female is) - Providing more suport for women who have been stalked or harassed or raped by men (ideally, so that we can pre-emptively stop those activities, not after it's too late) - Education: Include gender education early on in school, mixed gender sports classes, mixed bathrooms, etc.
  - n4r9 1y ago
    It's a great list. I believe Uber has improved on both of those items although could still do better (see e.g. [0]). The issue with the second list is that it takes a long time to encourage that sort of social progress. It's extremely difficult to undo years of conditioning, so I think we have to wait it out until that generation ages out. In the meantime providing safety options for women in limited high-risk scenarios feels very jutifiable. And we continually reassess what those scenarios are so that we're allocating those measures in an efficient and moderated way. [0] https://helpingsurvivors.org/rideshare-sexual-assault/how-are-drivers-vetted/ https://helpingsurvivors.org/rideshare-sexual-assault/how-ar...