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tired of gnome PR.. gnome is dead, let it RIP
by ezesolares 14y ago
tired of gnome PR.. gnome is dead, let it RIP
- rbanffy 14y agoOn what planet is it dead? Gnome is still the default GUI on a lot of operating systems. In fact, I'm quite fond of Gnome Shell on one of my laptops. What bothers m most is what I perceive as a need to follow Microsoft. I fear things like the lock screen thing will prove confusing for many users.
- snogglethorpe 14y agoYeah, totally agree. Gnome is far from perfect, but I use it, and it's lot better than all the whining would suggest. I think Miguel's obsession with all-things-MS, however, is both counter-productive (e.g. the huge diversion of resources into the utter dead end of Mono), and, frankly, kind of bizarre...
- gizmo686 14y agoWhat was impressive for me in gnome3 and unity was the huge move away from Windows happening in mainstream distribution defaults. It looks to me like we are still in good place of trying out other peoples ideas without copying their products.
- kijin 14y ago> huge move away from Windows With Windows 8, even Microsoft itself is moving away from the traditional Windows interface. So I'm not sure whether Gnome and Unity are actually being creative in departing from Windows-like interfaces, or merely following the latest trend. The trend used to be led by Microsoft, and the Linux Desktop followed it at the time. Now the trend is led by Apple, and the Linux Desktop follows it again.
- jdub 14y agoThe OS X shell hasn't changed terribly much since it was first released. GNOME Shell ("GNOME 3") was publicly designed prior to anyone seeing Windows 8 or Unity (in fact, Unity started after the GNOME 3 development process began). GNOME has more in common with webOS than OS X, Windows 8, or (perish the thought) Unity.
- jlgreco 14y agoAs fair as I am concerned GNOME is dead and rotting but the major distros, seemingly blind to this, have left it sitting at the head of the table. Among the linux users I know, there are two categories. Those who change their DE, and those who complain endlessly about it.
- Evbn 14y agoAnd those running Lucid LTS and will never hellgrade to Precise!
- keithpeter 14y agoCentOS 6.3 and above will preserve most of your Lucid experience, and has support for some years. I have CentOS installed on my desktop PC. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/centos.html http://dl.dropbox.com/u/8403291/centos.html You will need to do some fiddling with repositories, research yum-priorities plug in and the various additional repositories. I have Ubuntu 12.04 with Unity on the laptop and find it quite useful on the smaller screen. Looking at the Gnome 3.6 development screen shots on the original article, I might hunt up a ppa and try it...
- deno 14y agoIt might get you similar versions of various software but RedHat derived distros (like CentOS) and Debian derived distros (like Ubuntu) are very different indeed. Were it not for the common Linux kernel, you might have as well be recommending FreeBSD. Those are two completely different roots: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Gldt.svg
- keithpeter 14y agoTrue, and one of my reasons for putting centos on the desktop was to educate myself about the differences under the hood. I'm aware of the Upstart/init difference, and apparmor/selinux difference. Any references you have to share would be most welcome. I seem to find that from an end user/desktop user point of view, CentOS delivers much of what Lucid/Squeeze delivered except no banshee (mono libraries not installed). I therefore point out the existence of RHEL clones whenever Ubuntu folk express concern at the shift from Gnome 2 to Unity or Gnome Shell when upgrading from Lucid.
- batista 14y ago>Gnome is still the default GUI on a lot of operating systems The one statement does not contradict the other. For one, any operating system that uses Gnome as its GUI besides Linux has an insignificant user population (FreeBSD, NetBSD, etc).
- keithpeter 14y agoI suspect that the grandparent post was using 'operating systems' to mean 'GNU/Linux distribution'. One of the things that I like about the GNU/Linux 'ecosystem' (by which I mean the plethora of distributions and the various packages available within the repositories of those distributions) is the huge array of choice, especially for devising a GUI that fits the user. I accept that the 'sensible default' issue is real.
- denisinla 14y agoGnome is still alive and kicking, not to mention talks are in place for GnomeOS at the moment.
- krakensden 14y agoCheck out the OSTree page on the gnome wiki, and the mailing list. It's actually... quite cool.
- dfc 14y agohttps://live.gnome.org/OSTree/ https://live.gnome.org/OSTree/
- sciurus 14y agoLWN wrote a good article on GNOME OS at https://lwn.net/Articles/512783/ https://lwn.net/Articles/512783/ Submitted to HN at http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4455028 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4455028
- Xyzodiac 14y agoGnome is very much alive, the blog entry from a month or so ago was concerning but it's still very much a lively project.
- PommeDeTerre 14y agoIt's "alive" in the sense that there's still some activity going on, but it's shedding users, and it's becoming irrelevant. I liken it to XFree86. While it may have been very popular and widely-used at one point, it didn't take long at all for users and developers to flee once things started looking bad. People just haven't been happy with GNOME 3. That's a fact. And with no improvements visible on the horizon, more and more people are moving to MATE (and a few to Cinnamon). GNOME can't survive in its current form if people and developers continue to leave it in favor of better desktop environments.
- sciurus 14y agoCompare the amount of GNOME developers discussing GNOME development at http://planet.gnome.org/ http://planet.gnome.org/ to the number of MATE developers discussing MATE development at http://planet.mate-desktop.org/ http://planet.mate-desktop.org/
- buster 14y agoUsing Gnome all day, nope not dead. Gnome Shell is quite a good environment. I think many people just complain because it's a change. People don't like change.
- viseztrance 14y agoActually people complain because they need to install an extension to remove the accessibility icon from the top panel.
- buster 14y agoNo, they complain about the panel being ddifferent and the workspaces and stuff like that..
- sigzero 14y agoYou must be a Gnome Dev too! You aren't listening either.
- buster 14y agolol i'm no gnome dev but i read all that crap on HN since gnome-shell was released (and before unity), so yeah, i can read. If people are too stubborn to try something new, they can still install fvwm95 and live in desktop-yesterday-land for the rest of their lives, no problem.
- klrr 14y agoTotally agree with you, people who don't like what happening can just leave and start using MATE or XFCE instead. GNOME's directions isen't even targeted at the previous userbase anyway. I'm too young to have got into GNOME2 as much as it seems some people have done, but seriously it's just silly to complain and whine. I know some also includes very contructive critism in their complains but most people don't, and that is those I dislike.
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- sliverstorm 14y agoI don't use Gnome anymore, but 9/10 Linux users I know use it (well, Gnome or KDE). That's not very dead.
- jpkeisala 14y agoso, what do you use then?
- sliverstorm 14y agoicewm, fluxbox, dwm. I prefer dwm, but fluxbox and icewm are more often available.
- vacri 14y agoGnome3, or forks of Gnome2 like Mate?