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Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity. My suggestion is to stay on an older release as long as

Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity. My suggestion is to stay on an older release as long as possible. If that isn't possible I would recommend keeping the computer turned off most of the time and only briefly using it for your purpose and try to keep from doing anything embarrassing or personal too much. Another thing that might help is calling up your local government and ask them to do something about this. You can also call Windows customer service up and let them know that you are displeased about what they've done and will not be recommending it to your friends as a result.

ekianjo 1y ago
> Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity its a pain for most people at first but its never too late to do the switch.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  Most people use Windows for little more than running the web browser today. I've literally switched dozens of people over to Ubuntu variants (actually Kubuntu) over the years, and it's only getting easier and easier as everyone moves everything to the web browser.
johnisgood 1y ago
I also recommend https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools to debloat your Windows 10-11. Familiarity is not really a good reason against Linux, however. Just install a Linux distro that comes close in looks. What are these Linux distributions these days? Pop OS? Elementary OS? Most people are only using their browsers anyway.
- __rito__ 1y ago
  Linux Mint remains the most stable, least babysitting required, solid distro for beginners. Ubuntu is also okay. Pop, Zorin, Elementary, etc. are great choices, too. But if you ask me one, I will suggest Linux Mint. All Linux Mint releases are Long Time Support (LTS) versions, btw. With support for five years.
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  - hodgehog11 1y ago
    Pop is woefully out of date at this point due to the ongoing alpha development of COSMIC. I switched off because a whole bunch of Nvidia-related things started breaking. LTS doesn't seem ideal for Nvidia in my experience.
    - __rito__ 1y ago
      I just have seamless experience with Ubuntu. Wdym about LTS not being ideal for NVIDIA? The OS receives updates, NVIDIA drivers also do. What is the problem? Am I missing something?
      - hodgehog11 1y ago
        The latest NVIDIA drivers (576+ I think?) are totally broken on Ubuntu 22.04 variants and seem to require 24+. That was my experience anyway, I tried everything I could to get it to work, but PopOS would never boot under those drivers unless I upgraded to the alpha builds on Ubuntu 24. Forced me to switch to Fedora in the end (I needed those drivers for work) which worked seamlessly.
        __rito__ 1y ago
        Oh, that makes sense. Ubuntu releases LTS versions every two years. I jump from LTS to LTS by simple `do-release-upgrade` command. Takes about 30 minutes. And I only upgrade after the dust settles, i.e. after 3-4 months of the release. Mint also releases upgrades regularly. I suggest upgrading regularly. NVIDIA drivers work great, and receive updates.
- poulpy123 1y ago
  Familiarity is shorthand for time and energy. Neither of them are infinite. Ironically your second sentence is an example of the impact on time and energy the switch will have: someone who just decided to switch from windows to linux will have to take the time and spend the energy to chose between the dozen of linux distributions before any practical consideration.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    Well, I have been told by many people to install Windows on their PC or laptop. I installed Linux instead. They were quite happy with that. If you want it out of the box, there are laptops out there with Linux pre-installed, but it is not as common, unfortunately. So I do not see the irony. They usually ask someone to install an OS, or they buy a computer pre-installed with an OS.
    - poulpy123 1y ago
      If you do all the work, they indeed don't need to spend time and energy on the switch itself, and even better if their usage is limited enough they don't encounter missing software or incompatibilities with the windows world. The irony is that before doing the work for the switch, and even before doing the work of checking if the switch is feasible for their need, they will need to spend time and energy to select which linux distrib they should choose. Switching from linux to windows of macos doesn't have this issue
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        So the problem with switching to Linux is that they have to spend the time and energy to choose a Linux distribution? If we are to nitpick, it is not that easy with Windows either. Which Windows version? Which torrent is the right one? The last question is because most people here do not have a legit copy, they torrent it. It took me longer to find the right version of Windows to torrent than to search for "top Linux distributions for beginners".
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0x02f0bcd4 1y ago
With windows 10 lifetime coming to an end, even though the Enterprise edition still going to be supported for some while, eventually the world will move on to Windows 11. Unless someone breaks that cycle of Windows being the dominant OS.
- queuebert 1y ago
  And RIP my perfectly good and working computer without a TPM chip. Guess I'll switch it to Linux ...
  - black3r 1y ago
    Are you sure your computer really doesn't have TPM? Because Intel CPUs since Haswell and AMD CPUs since Zen 1 have firmware-level TPM (implemented at the Intel ME / AMD PSP side) built in, but disabled by default, but you can mostly turn it on in BIOS/UEFI setup interface (if the BIOS supports it), and Windows 11 will work with it. And sometimes even discrete TPMs on motherboards come disabled by default. If you haven't already, check your BIOS for TPM/fTPM settings (or if you're on Intel also look for "Intel Platform Trust Technology" or "Intel PTT").
  - bongodongobob 1y ago
    Go ahead. You're not their customer, they couldn't care less. Enterprise is their customer.
phyzome 1y ago
You're not "stuck" due to familiarity. That's a choice. A choice you're free to make, but still a choice.
smusamashah 1y ago
Video games. Linux can play lots with Proton I have heard but not all.
- hodgehog11 1y ago
  It's multiplayer games with anti-cheat that are the ones not supported (with developers now having to go out of their way to turn OFF support for Linux); everything else works fine. If you're only into singleplayer (like me), games often run better on Linux.
  - nazgulsenpai 1y ago
    To expand on this and provide some examples, I've recently played Wuthering Waves, Tower of Fantasy, The First Descendant, Phantasy Star Online 2, Black Desert, Lost Ark, Throne & Liberty, probably others I'm forgetting, all of which contain anti-cheat of some variety and all on Linux. There are some that don't support Linux and likely never will like Valorant or Call of Duty, and even fewer that dropped Linux support like Apex Legends.
    - tumsfestival 1y ago
      Mostly mobile ported gacha and Korean MMOs. It's good that it runs on Linux for you, but most people don't play these games. Most people are interested exactly in the ones you've listed as not supported.
- guappa 1y ago
  Windows 10 cannot play a lot of non windows 10 games.

ekianjo 1y ago

> Well for those who are stuck with Windows because of some applications or simply because of familiarity its a pain for most people at first but its never too late to do the switch.

dotancohen 1y ago
Most people use Windows for little more than running the web browser today. I've literally switched dozens of people over to Ubuntu variants (actually Kubuntu) over the years, and it's only getting easier and easier as everyone moves everything to the web browser.

johnisgood 1y ago

I also recommend https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools https://github.com/LeDragoX/Win-Debloat-Tools to debloat your Windows 10-11. Familiarity is not really a good reason against Linux, however. Just install a Linux distro that comes close in looks. What are these Linux distributions these days? Pop OS? Elementary OS? Most people are only using their browsers anyway.

__rito__ 1y ago
Linux Mint remains the most stable, least babysitting required, solid distro for beginners. Ubuntu is also okay. Pop, Zorin, Elementary, etc. are great choices, too. But if you ask me one, I will suggest Linux Mint. All Linux Mint releases are Long Time Support (LTS) versions, btw. With support for five years.
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- hodgehog11 1y ago
  Pop is woefully out of date at this point due to the ongoing alpha development of COSMIC. I switched off because a whole bunch of Nvidia-related things started breaking. LTS doesn't seem ideal for Nvidia in my experience.
  - __rito__ 1y ago
    I just have seamless experience with Ubuntu. Wdym about LTS not being ideal for NVIDIA? The OS receives updates, NVIDIA drivers also do. What is the problem? Am I missing something?
    - hodgehog11 1y ago
      The latest NVIDIA drivers (576+ I think?) are totally broken on Ubuntu 22.04 variants and seem to require 24+. That was my experience anyway, I tried everything I could to get it to work, but PopOS would never boot under those drivers unless I upgraded to the alpha builds on Ubuntu 24. Forced me to switch to Fedora in the end (I needed those drivers for work) which worked seamlessly.
      - __rito__ 1y ago
        Oh, that makes sense. Ubuntu releases LTS versions every two years. I jump from LTS to LTS by simple `do-release-upgrade` command. Takes about 30 minutes. And I only upgrade after the dust settles, i.e. after 3-4 months of the release. Mint also releases upgrades regularly. I suggest upgrading regularly. NVIDIA drivers work great, and receive updates.
poulpy123 1y ago
Familiarity is shorthand for time and energy. Neither of them are infinite. Ironically your second sentence is an example of the impact on time and energy the switch will have: someone who just decided to switch from windows to linux will have to take the time and spend the energy to chose between the dozen of linux distributions before any practical consideration.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  Well, I have been told by many people to install Windows on their PC or laptop. I installed Linux instead. They were quite happy with that. If you want it out of the box, there are laptops out there with Linux pre-installed, but it is not as common, unfortunately. So I do not see the irony. They usually ask someone to install an OS, or they buy a computer pre-installed with an OS.
  - poulpy123 1y ago
    If you do all the work, they indeed don't need to spend time and energy on the switch itself, and even better if their usage is limited enough they don't encounter missing software or incompatibilities with the windows world. The irony is that before doing the work for the switch, and even before doing the work of checking if the switch is feasible for their need, they will need to spend time and energy to select which linux distrib they should choose. Switching from linux to windows of macos doesn't have this issue
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      So the problem with switching to Linux is that they have to spend the time and energy to choose a Linux distribution? If we are to nitpick, it is not that easy with Windows either. Which Windows version? Which torrent is the right one? The last question is because most people here do not have a legit copy, they torrent it. It took me longer to find the right version of Windows to torrent than to search for "top Linux distributions for beginners".
      - 1y ago

0x02f0bcd4 1y ago

With windows 10 lifetime coming to an end, even though the Enterprise edition still going to be supported for some while, eventually the world will move on to Windows 11. Unless someone breaks that cycle of Windows being the dominant OS.

queuebert 1y ago
And RIP my perfectly good and working computer without a TPM chip. Guess I'll switch it to Linux ...
- black3r 1y ago
  Are you sure your computer really doesn't have TPM? Because Intel CPUs since Haswell and AMD CPUs since Zen 1 have firmware-level TPM (implemented at the Intel ME / AMD PSP side) built in, but disabled by default, but you can mostly turn it on in BIOS/UEFI setup interface (if the BIOS supports it), and Windows 11 will work with it. And sometimes even discrete TPMs on motherboards come disabled by default. If you haven't already, check your BIOS for TPM/fTPM settings (or if you're on Intel also look for "Intel Platform Trust Technology" or "Intel PTT").
- bongodongobob 1y ago
  Go ahead. You're not their customer, they couldn't care less. Enterprise is their customer.

phyzome 1y ago

You're not "stuck" due to familiarity. That's a choice. A choice you're free to make, but still a choice.

smusamashah 1y ago

Video games. Linux can play lots with Proton I have heard but not all.

hodgehog11 1y ago
It's multiplayer games with anti-cheat that are the ones not supported (with developers now having to go out of their way to turn OFF support for Linux); everything else works fine. If you're only into singleplayer (like me), games often run better on Linux.
- nazgulsenpai 1y ago
  To expand on this and provide some examples, I've recently played Wuthering Waves, Tower of Fantasy, The First Descendant, Phantasy Star Online 2, Black Desert, Lost Ark, Throne & Liberty, probably others I'm forgetting, all of which contain anti-cheat of some variety and all on Linux. There are some that don't support Linux and likely never will like Valorant or Call of Duty, and even fewer that dropped Linux support like Apex Legends.
  - tumsfestival 1y ago
    Mostly mobile ported gacha and Korean MMOs. It's good that it runs on Linux for you, but most people don't play these games. Most people are interested exactly in the ones you've listed as not supported.
guappa 1y ago
Windows 10 cannot play a lot of non windows 10 games.