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> We tell the operating system that every Brave tab is ‘private’, so Recall never captures it. Without this loophole Recall could take pix of password managers

> We tell the operating system that every Brave tab is ‘private’, so Recall never captures it. Without this loophole Recall could take pix of password managers and other such sensitive windows. So it doesn't seem closeable without per app exceptions. But privacy is a bug on a school laptop used by a child. Brave could have a toggle on the feature if it wants to serve that market.

fidotron 1y ago
> But privacy is a bug on a school laptop used by a child. What you're going to learn is how many people that think like this consider you to be in the same position as the child.
- delichon 1y ago
  "The whole principle (censorship) is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak.” ― Robert A. Heinlein The opposite is true too. Infants shouldn't be handed knives because grown men need to cut their steak.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    It's more like, "Only licensed chefs need pointy knives, so the logical thing to do is ban pointy knives for everyone else."
    - fidotron 1y ago
      https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2019/03/14/yes-a-politician-really-did-suggest-all-knives-should-have-gps-trackers-built-in/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2019/03/14/yes-a-poli...
    - teddyh 1y ago
      Cigarette lighters and matches would probably be banned, or at least heavily restricted, if smoking had never been a thing.
  - vorpalhex 1y ago
    Having passed a toddler a steak knife, it's fine. There are even practice knifes for this purpose. (An infants hands are too small to hold a steak knife)
    - Nevermark 1y ago
      > Having passed a toddler a steak knife, it's fine. That time. With that child. I don't think "a steak knife per toddler" is a scalable value proposition.
      - vorpalhex 1y ago
        I disagree. Most children (including toddlers) can be taught quickly to safely handle even "scary knives" and controlled exposure to real tools with real consequences is actually high value. You can also give infants who are ready for food meat and other real foods, just keep in mind the lack of teeth.
  - dartharva 1y ago
    If we were to seriously take that advice, children wouldn't have access to laptops in the first pace, let alone "school" ones.
Etheryte 1y ago
Your manager would say that privacy is a bug on a corporate laptop used by an employee. Luckily there are a number of countries where the legal framework doesn't let that fly.
- delichon 1y ago
  If the law required allowing children to use their school owned laptops to browse the web without oversight or limitation, many schools could not provide them and students would lose a very valuable educational tool.
  - Tade0 1y ago
    There's a limitation in the form of inaccessible domains which is, predictably, also used by employers. No need to go all 1984 on children because those who can bypass such restrictions will figure out a way to see what they want. Like with everything about parenting your main weapon against the evils of this world is the trust your child puts into you.
  - dartharva 1y ago
    It would unironically be much better for everyone involved if they didn't use laptops in the first place and went back to pen and paper.
HWR_14 1y ago
How does it help parents/teachers/children to have Microsoft spy on your children? I have trouble thinking of a use case.
- delichon 1y ago
  As a teacher it's "I wasn't able to monitor Tommy's screen while I was helping other students, but Tommy is struggling with the material that he usually gets easily and I'd like to know if he was on task. If not I want to bring back his focus; if so I'd like to understand what he has trouble with so I can help." If you're thinking "just ask", unfortunately students often don't have that level of introspection.

fidotron 1y ago

> But privacy is a bug on a school laptop used by a child. What you're going to learn is how many people that think like this consider you to be in the same position as the child.

delichon 1y ago
"The whole principle (censorship) is wrong; it's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't eat steak.” ― Robert A. Heinlein The opposite is true too. Infants shouldn't be handed knives because grown men need to cut their steak.
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  It's more like, "Only licensed chefs need pointy knives, so the logical thing to do is ban pointy knives for everyone else."
  - fidotron 1y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2019/03/14/yes-a-politician-really-did-suggest-all-knives-should-have-gps-trackers-built-in/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2019/03/14/yes-a-poli...
  - teddyh 1y ago
    Cigarette lighters and matches would probably be banned, or at least heavily restricted, if smoking had never been a thing.
- vorpalhex 1y ago
  Having passed a toddler a steak knife, it's fine. There are even practice knifes for this purpose. (An infants hands are too small to hold a steak knife)
  - Nevermark 1y ago
    > Having passed a toddler a steak knife, it's fine. That time. With that child. I don't think "a steak knife per toddler" is a scalable value proposition.
    - vorpalhex 1y ago
      I disagree. Most children (including toddlers) can be taught quickly to safely handle even "scary knives" and controlled exposure to real tools with real consequences is actually high value. You can also give infants who are ready for food meat and other real foods, just keep in mind the lack of teeth.
- dartharva 1y ago
  If we were to seriously take that advice, children wouldn't have access to laptops in the first pace, let alone "school" ones.

Etheryte 1y ago

Your manager would say that privacy is a bug on a corporate laptop used by an employee. Luckily there are a number of countries where the legal framework doesn't let that fly.

delichon 1y ago
If the law required allowing children to use their school owned laptops to browse the web without oversight or limitation, many schools could not provide them and students would lose a very valuable educational tool.
- Tade0 1y ago
  There's a limitation in the form of inaccessible domains which is, predictably, also used by employers. No need to go all 1984 on children because those who can bypass such restrictions will figure out a way to see what they want. Like with everything about parenting your main weapon against the evils of this world is the trust your child puts into you.
- dartharva 1y ago
  It would unironically be much better for everyone involved if they didn't use laptops in the first place and went back to pen and paper.

HWR_14 1y ago

How does it help parents/teachers/children to have Microsoft spy on your children? I have trouble thinking of a use case.

delichon 1y ago
As a teacher it's "I wasn't able to monitor Tommy's screen while I was helping other students, but Tommy is struggling with the material that he usually gets easily and I'd like to know if he was on task. If not I want to bring back his focus; if so I'd like to understand what he has trouble with so I can help." If you're thinking "just ask", unfortunately students often don't have that level of introspection.