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> Again, try to be rational. Is it tribalism, or do they just want a future where citizens don't have to worry about terrorist attacks or getting rocketed anymo

> Again, try to be rational. Is it tribalism, or do they just want a future where citizens don't have to worry about terrorist attacks or getting rocketed anymore? That’s exactly what Milosevic argued to justify attacking his neighbors. We have to get them before they get us I am being rational and cannot imagine any justification for the complete eradication of Gaza or the illegal settlements in the West Bank. If this is, after all, only about safety and security then why isn’t Israel annexing those people into citizenship? Rationally speaking it would eliminate most of the domestic threat simultaneously legally qualify the West Bank settlements. Again, it really appears Israel would rather have tribalism than security.

amendegree 1y ago
Illegal according to who? The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. “Legal” presupposes an enforcement framework and process which simply doesn’t exist as it applies to sovereign countries. But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started. Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually being exterminated by self-proclaimed jihadis (and Palestinian “refugees”) and the whole world is turning a blind eye while Israel desperately tries to prevent a larger catastrophe. Now the Syrian Druze are requesting to be annexed by Israel and to be under IDF protection. You don’t care about Palestinians, you just hate Jews.
- austin-cheney 1y ago
  > Illegal according to who? Everyone else in the world. I can use terms like complete eradication. What percentage of buildings in Gaza remain in safe enough conditions for people to live in? The entire strip looks like a flattened dust pile. Yes, killing civilians is bad regardless of their identity. It seems like you are trying to shift ground to something unrelated because you have nothing of actual substance. Now how is the conduct by Israel not tribal warfare on a nearly genocidal scale?
  - amendegree 1y ago
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    - austin-cheney 1y ago
      Maybe I misunderstand your position. Are you ok with children starving to death in Gaza for any reason?
      - amendegree 1y ago
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        austin-cheney 1y ago
        How can that be if the IDF is restricting food entering Gaza and shooting at crowds of people waiting to collect food?
        amendegree 1y ago
        If that were true it would be a problem, since it’s just lies told by hamas that you are now repeating for some reason we don’t have to worry about it. Here are your starving gazans: https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 they have fresh fruit that looks perfectly ripe… so interesting that no aid is getting in and yet somehow they’re holding fruit I sometimes have trouble finding in my supermarket here in the US…
        austin-cheney 1y ago
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        amendegree 1y ago
        Again, read that article lol, it doesn’t actually support the thing you’re saying. It has a claim by a soldier without any supporting proof. Same with the CNN article, there is literally zero video evidence supporting your claim in the most recorded war in history, ask yourself why that is? Why do we have video of hamas shooting their own people, video of basically every single missile landing, but this event that has apparently resulted in 500+ deaths has literally no video evidence. You would think if it was happening someone would be pointing cameras at the idf position and just watching, but somehow they’re never seem to have any evidence of it. All we have are drs making claims in hospitals… somehow the drs in field hospitals know where all their patients came from and exactly what happened to them, but no one else has any idea. As always the question is for you: why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you want all the Jews to be killed? Just so we’re clear I showed an actual video of Hamas with fresh fruit, the UN just shared a video of literal tons of aid they’re refusing to distribute. you shared a paywalled article quoting an anonymous source with zero verification.
- lbrito 1y ago
  >The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. So when the US government repeatedly calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine illegal, you are saying they are wrong, right? "Two years ago, Russian forces launched an illegal and indefensible all-out invasion of Ukraine" https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3684952/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-marking-two-years-since-ru/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/368495...
  - amendegree 1y ago
    Yes, lol a press release by the Biden DoD is propaganda not factual information. Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.
    - lbrito 1y ago
      Don't be disingenuous. Its far from "just a press release"; its the official position of the government of the United States. There are many other instances where different parts of the government call it illegal.
      - amendegree 1y ago
        It is just a press release and regardless, what any country’s official position is, is irrelevant. Legality generally doesn’t apply to international relations as each state makes their own determination on what does and doesn’t apply to them. For example the current US ambassador to Israel just announced that France will be partitioned into two states, one for France and one for Palestine, France isn’t bound by that.
ActorNightly 1y ago
>We have to get them before they get us In Israel case, its "we have to get them so they don't get us again". Not sure why this is so difficult to understand. Not sure why you haven't bothered to read the rest of my comment as I addressed your two other points.
- austin-cheney 1y ago
  It’s not difficult. I apparently guessed your sentiment accurately even though I was actually describing the first head of state to be convicted of war crimes for promoting genocide and ethnic cleansing. But, let’s make this even less difficult. Is the goal here security or dominance? Security suggests reducing hostilities but dominance suggests removing a group of people from an area of land. I really don’t see any reduction of hostilities.

amendegree 1y ago

Illegal according to who? The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. “Legal” presupposes an enforcement framework and process which simply doesn’t exist as it applies to sovereign countries. But more to the point you can’t claim to be rational while using terms like “the complete eradication of Gaza”. The population in Gaza has grown since the war started. Meanwhile in southern Syria the Druze are actually being exterminated by self-proclaimed jihadis (and Palestinian “refugees”) and the whole world is turning a blind eye while Israel desperately tries to prevent a larger catastrophe. Now the Syrian Druze are requesting to be annexed by Israel and to be under IDF protection. You don’t care about Palestinians, you just hate Jews.

austin-cheney 1y ago
> Illegal according to who? Everyone else in the world. I can use terms like complete eradication. What percentage of buildings in Gaza remain in safe enough conditions for people to live in? The entire strip looks like a flattened dust pile. Yes, killing civilians is bad regardless of their identity. It seems like you are trying to shift ground to something unrelated because you have nothing of actual substance. Now how is the conduct by Israel not tribal warfare on a nearly genocidal scale?
- amendegree 1y ago
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  - austin-cheney 1y ago
    Maybe I misunderstand your position. Are you ok with children starving to death in Gaza for any reason?
    - amendegree 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - austin-cheney 1y ago
        How can that be if the IDF is restricting food entering Gaza and shooting at crowds of people waiting to collect food?
        amendegree 1y ago
        If that were true it would be a problem, since it’s just lies told by hamas that you are now repeating for some reason we don’t have to worry about it. Here are your starving gazans: https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 https://x.com/DocumentIsrael/status/1948045924099367359 they have fresh fruit that looks perfectly ripe… so interesting that no aid is getting in and yet somehow they’re holding fruit I sometimes have trouble finding in my supermarket here in the US…
        austin-cheney 1y ago
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        amendegree 1y ago
        Again, read that article lol, it doesn’t actually support the thing you’re saying. It has a claim by a soldier without any supporting proof. Same with the CNN article, there is literally zero video evidence supporting your claim in the most recorded war in history, ask yourself why that is? Why do we have video of hamas shooting their own people, video of basically every single missile landing, but this event that has apparently resulted in 500+ deaths has literally no video evidence. You would think if it was happening someone would be pointing cameras at the idf position and just watching, but somehow they’re never seem to have any evidence of it. All we have are drs making claims in hospitals… somehow the drs in field hospitals know where all their patients came from and exactly what happened to them, but no one else has any idea. As always the question is for you: why do you hate Jews so much? Why do you want all the Jews to be killed? Just so we’re clear I showed an actual video of Hamas with fresh fruit, the UN just shared a video of literal tons of aid they’re refusing to distribute. you shared a paywalled article quoting an anonymous source with zero verification.
lbrito 1y ago
>The concept of legal doesn’t apply to nation states. So when the US government repeatedly calls the Russian invasion of Ukraine illegal, you are saying they are wrong, right? "Two years ago, Russian forces launched an illegal and indefensible all-out invasion of Ukraine" https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3684952/statement-by-secretary-of-defense-lloyd-j-austin-iii-marking-two-years-since-ru/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/368495...
- amendegree 1y ago
  Yes, lol a press release by the Biden DoD is propaganda not factual information. Obviously Russia is wrong on a moral level for invading its neighbor but legality doesn’t enter into the conversation.
  - lbrito 1y ago
    Don't be disingenuous. Its far from "just a press release"; its the official position of the government of the United States. There are many other instances where different parts of the government call it illegal.
    - amendegree 1y ago
      It is just a press release and regardless, what any country’s official position is, is irrelevant. Legality generally doesn’t apply to international relations as each state makes their own determination on what does and doesn’t apply to them. For example the current US ambassador to Israel just announced that France will be partitioned into two states, one for France and one for Palestine, France isn’t bound by that.

ActorNightly 1y ago

>We have to get them before they get us In Israel case, its "we have to get them so they don't get us again". Not sure why this is so difficult to understand. Not sure why you haven't bothered to read the rest of my comment as I addressed your two other points.

austin-cheney 1y ago
It’s not difficult. I apparently guessed your sentiment accurately even though I was actually describing the first head of state to be convicted of war crimes for promoting genocide and ethnic cleansing. But, let’s make this even less difficult. Is the goal here security or dominance? Security suggests reducing hostilities but dominance suggests removing a group of people from an area of land. I really don’t see any reduction of hostilities.