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First they came for the communists.

by ngcazz 1y ago

alephnerd 1y ago
First the ŠtB came for Masaryk... (And Fascists+Nazis are banned as well in Czechia today, so the precedent exists)
ashoeafoot 1y ago
First the fascists and the communists came to do common conquest, so first they came for the weaker nations .. There was a whole akward year where all the comintern was ordered to praise and love hitler. True love to the idea is when you share poland over a dinner date.
- lostmsu 1y ago
  > common conquest As opposed to the British Empire and, essentially, everyone else who could?
- jesterson 1y ago
  You must have forgotten whp have eventually conquered Hitler. Hint: it is not "allied forces", which are keen to claim so more and more in recent years.
  - somedude895 1y ago
    The Soviets would have gone under without lend-lease from capitalist US. They've paid much more in blood for which they deserve all the respect in the world, but defeating the Nazis was a joint effort. It's really strange how some revisionists in the West want so desperately to minimise their own part in defeating evil.
    - jesterson 1y ago
      > The Soviets would have gone under without lend-lease from capitalist US That story has been heard many times. The reality is - we would never know that, so we can speculate as much as we would like.
      - _mlbt 1y ago
        It was a joint effort. Most serious World War II historians acknowledge that there were many important efforts among all of the Allies and the underground resistance in occupied nations. The siege of Stalingrad was crucial to the downfall of the Third Reich, but so was Normandy, the North Africa campaign, and the invasion of Italy. Opening up a second front pushed the Wehrmacht too thin, ensuring Allied victory. It is entirely possible that the Soviets would have ultimately defeated Hitler, but the actions by the Western Allies hastened Nazi Germany’s demise.
        jesterson 1y ago
        Again it's a pure speculation. If I give you $100 and you conquer a villain while losing all your family while I will spend the time in restaurant. Can I say I actually conquered the villain? Sure, if I want to think i did. Thats how "allied forces" behave. The history is being rewritten all the times and "serious historians" are nothing but grifters on the runway.
      - hollerith 1y ago
        Earlier you wrote, <<You must have forgotten whp have eventually conquered Hitler. Hint: it is not "allied forces">>. Well which is it: the Soviets conquered Hitler or we would never know who conquered Hitler?

First they came for the communists.

by ngcazz 1y ago

First they came for the communists.

alephnerd 1y ago

First the ŠtB came for Masaryk... (And Fascists+Nazis are banned as well in Czechia today, so the precedent exists)

ashoeafoot 1y ago

First the fascists and the communists came to do common conquest, so first they came for the weaker nations .. There was a whole akward year where all the comintern was ordered to praise and love hitler. True love to the idea is when you share poland over a dinner date.

lostmsu 1y ago
> common conquest As opposed to the British Empire and, essentially, everyone else who could?
jesterson 1y ago
You must have forgotten whp have eventually conquered Hitler. Hint: it is not "allied forces", which are keen to claim so more and more in recent years.
- somedude895 1y ago
  The Soviets would have gone under without lend-lease from capitalist US. They've paid much more in blood for which they deserve all the respect in the world, but defeating the Nazis was a joint effort. It's really strange how some revisionists in the West want so desperately to minimise their own part in defeating evil.
  - jesterson 1y ago
    > The Soviets would have gone under without lend-lease from capitalist US That story has been heard many times. The reality is - we would never know that, so we can speculate as much as we would like.
    - _mlbt 1y ago
      It was a joint effort. Most serious World War II historians acknowledge that there were many important efforts among all of the Allies and the underground resistance in occupied nations. The siege of Stalingrad was crucial to the downfall of the Third Reich, but so was Normandy, the North Africa campaign, and the invasion of Italy. Opening up a second front pushed the Wehrmacht too thin, ensuring Allied victory. It is entirely possible that the Soviets would have ultimately defeated Hitler, but the actions by the Western Allies hastened Nazi Germany’s demise.
      - jesterson 1y ago
        Again it's a pure speculation. If I give you $100 and you conquer a villain while losing all your family while I will spend the time in restaurant. Can I say I actually conquered the villain? Sure, if I want to think i did. Thats how "allied forces" behave. The history is being rewritten all the times and "serious historians" are nothing but grifters on the runway.
    - hollerith 1y ago
      Earlier you wrote, <<You must have forgotten whp have eventually conquered Hitler. Hint: it is not "allied forces">>. Well which is it: the Soviets conquered Hitler or we would never know who conquered Hitler?