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The major difference is Israel is one of the only modern states that cannot and will not extend citizenship and property rights to the majority of people under

by aprilthird2021 1y ago

The major difference is Israel is one of the only modern states that cannot and will not extend citizenship and property rights to the majority of people under their control who existed there when the nation was founded because it would upend the ethnic makeup of the country. They will also not allow the creation of a state for those people, forcing them to be stateless. None of that applies in Serbia / Bosnia / Kosovo, as far as I can tell. That is more like a separatist movement situation like what you see in Kurdistan, Kashmir, etc.

FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. Gaza is a competely separate country/territory. They have no connection to the modern Israeli state. If anything they should be asking for Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship since the majority have kin relationships and history from there.
- aprilthird2021 1y ago
  > 27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. How does that have anything to do with the conflict? Could there ever be 51% of Israeli citizens who are non-Jewish Arabs? That tells you why Israel will not extend rights to the majority of subjects under it's territorial control. > Gaza is a competely separate country/territory It is not. Israel does not recognize it as such, and Israel controls all the borders, all the electricity, all the water, all the Internet and essentially all the external commerce of the region, it even controls the waters off shore of the region.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    Not all the borders. Gaza has a border with Egypt (who also tightly control the border).
    - aprilthird2021 1y ago
      Egypt had only one elected head of state, who was anti-Israel, and he has since died in prison overthrown by an autocrat who sides with the US and Israel and does their bidding. Also, at this moment, Israel controls that border completely, and they have vetoed hostage deals that would require relinquishing that control. But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response
      - pms 1y ago
        > But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response Exactly. This only exposes the lack of accountability and the harmful stereotypes that led Nazi Germany and now lead Israel to committing a genocide.
- austin-cheney 1y ago
  If Gaza were a separate country then why would Israel restrict and regulate access to Gaza without an international embargo? For all practical considerations Gaza looks like a territory fully controlled by Israel. That begs the further question that if Gaza is controlled by Israel why is Israel so opposed to treating these people more equitably? The reason this looks like some tribal/racial/dominance thing is because these questions and conditions apply almost equally to the West Bank. There is video evidence of multiple settler pogroms in the West Bank. All of the rest of the world sees basically the same violent conclusions. The only people making excuses for it are some Israelis the rest of the world refers to as extremists.

FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago

27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. Gaza is a competely separate country/territory. They have no connection to the modern Israeli state. If anything they should be asking for Egyptian or Jordanian citizenship since the majority have kin relationships and history from there.

aprilthird2021 1y ago
> 27% of Israeli citizens are not Jews, but Arabs. They have full citizenship, vote, hold office, etc. How does that have anything to do with the conflict? Could there ever be 51% of Israeli citizens who are non-Jewish Arabs? That tells you why Israel will not extend rights to the majority of subjects under it's territorial control. > Gaza is a competely separate country/territory It is not. Israel does not recognize it as such, and Israel controls all the borders, all the electricity, all the water, all the Internet and essentially all the external commerce of the region, it even controls the waters off shore of the region.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Not all the borders. Gaza has a border with Egypt (who also tightly control the border).
  - aprilthird2021 1y ago
    Egypt had only one elected head of state, who was anti-Israel, and he has since died in prison overthrown by an autocrat who sides with the US and Israel and does their bidding. Also, at this moment, Israel controls that border completely, and they have vetoed hostage deals that would require relinquishing that control. But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response
    - pms 1y ago
      > But you of course didn't answer anything else I said, despite being wrong about the one thing you picked out of my response Exactly. This only exposes the lack of accountability and the harmful stereotypes that led Nazi Germany and now lead Israel to committing a genocide.
austin-cheney 1y ago
If Gaza were a separate country then why would Israel restrict and regulate access to Gaza without an international embargo? For all practical considerations Gaza looks like a territory fully controlled by Israel. That begs the further question that if Gaza is controlled by Israel why is Israel so opposed to treating these people more equitably? The reason this looks like some tribal/racial/dominance thing is because these questions and conditions apply almost equally to the West Bank. There is video evidence of multiple settler pogroms in the West Bank. All of the rest of the world sees basically the same violent conclusions. The only people making excuses for it are some Israelis the rest of the world refers to as extremists.