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"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car

"there are still going to be extraordinary driving situations in which the obvious thing to do would be clear to any reasonable human but not an autonomous car without serious general purpose AI" I believe that any such situation that could not be dealt with by simply coming to a safe halt is currently very badly handled by humans. I believe that they could be better handled with the _current_ state of the art, let alone advances we see over the next few decades. I'm not arguing that they could be perfectly handled; just that the machines can do better than the average meat-bag.

georgemcbay 14y ago
Even simply coming to a safe halt is problematic. What if some troll traps a self-driving car with a few empty cardboard boxes?
- Retric 14y ago
  It stays still until someone removes them. If it's a cab it's more than likely to simply call for help.
  - georgemcbay 14y ago
    And while it is still, it is now an obstacle for other empty self driving cars. Soon the troll has blocked an entire intersection or freeway using a combination of empty boxes and other trapped self-driving cars. You underestimate the effort a good troll would be willing to put into this.
    - rictic 14y ago
      There are lots of simple things that one could do to a roadway to impede or endanger traffic. Consider, for example, the danger of leaving something sharp or slick on a tight turn where people often speed. I've thought about this for a few years, and as near as I can tell it's either much harder than it seems, or there are fewer vandals than I'd have expected.
nazgulnarsil 14y ago
the real test of driverless cars comes shortly after they start to become widely used. A driverless car will be forced into a trolley problem situation. That is, it will have to choose between hitting two things without the option to hit neither. Expect extreme scrutiny in the ensuing legal case.
- mike-cardwell 14y ago
  At least we'll be able to reliably determine the reason, and fix it if necessary, rather than relying on human testimony.

georgemcbay 14y ago

Even simply coming to a safe halt is problematic. What if some troll traps a self-driving car with a few empty cardboard boxes?

Retric 14y ago
It stays still until someone removes them. If it's a cab it's more than likely to simply call for help.
- georgemcbay 14y ago
  And while it is still, it is now an obstacle for other empty self driving cars. Soon the troll has blocked an entire intersection or freeway using a combination of empty boxes and other trapped self-driving cars. You underestimate the effort a good troll would be willing to put into this.
  - rictic 14y ago
    There are lots of simple things that one could do to a roadway to impede or endanger traffic. Consider, for example, the danger of leaving something sharp or slick on a tight turn where people often speed. I've thought about this for a few years, and as near as I can tell it's either much harder than it seems, or there are fewer vandals than I'd have expected.

nazgulnarsil 14y ago

the real test of driverless cars comes shortly after they start to become widely used. A driverless car will be forced into a trolley problem situation. That is, it will have to choose between hitting two things without the option to hit neither. Expect extreme scrutiny in the ensuing legal case.

mike-cardwell 14y ago
At least we'll be able to reliably determine the reason, and fix it if necessary, rather than relying on human testimony.