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> it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. Isn't it both? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but it seems like an

> it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. Isn't it both? I'm not an expert on this by any means, but it seems like anyone who's born on that land will find it almost impossible to leave. Both countries that have land borders with Gaza will usually not admit locals, except in very few exceptions. Even someone trying to transit through Israel to other countries would probably not be able to. Their sea and airspace, things that are seen in other countries as open windows to the rest of the world, are controlled by Israel. And their own government sometimes acts to prevent people from leaving. So, even if some countries accepted their refugees, I don't see how an average Gazan would be able to get there. It's not quite North Korea-level of difficulty, but it's up there.

tguvot 1y ago
around 100k gazans left through egypt in last 2 years. they needed to pay bribes to egyptian officials. when israel after trump announcement said that idf will help people (who want to leave) to leave through israel, everybody screamed that it's literally proof that israel executes genocide and ethnic cleansing typically to be refugee you need to get to country and request this status. you can't get refugee status remotely.
- skybrian 1y ago
  Trump was talking about forced migration. There's no reason anyone else needs to support that. Legal restrictions could be reduced if there are any counties willing to take refugees.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    he wasn't talking about forced migration. he was talking about giving people housing/etc in other countries while gaza been rebuild, and later if they want they can come back. at no point he was saying that gazans will be rounded up and moved out. the way that conversation is going now is (and i am not trump fan): - everybody: gaza is destroyed and nobody can live there. conditions are inhumane - trump: lets allow to people move out to different countries, provide them with housing/jobs/etc while gaza is rebuild - israel: we will help to people who want to leave - to leave - everybody: this is literal genocide and ethnic cleansing. gazans should stay in gaza
    - skybrian 1y ago
      I don't know any details about what the Trump administration proposed. Is there more to it than a few tweets? A US administration that was serious about this would propose a deal to take some refugees from Gaza as a sign of good will. Something like "we will take 25% if other countries agree to take 75%." To say that other countries should take all the refugees, when they've shown no interest in it, is deeply cynical. So I didn't bother to look further. Of course we'd never see that from the Trump administration. Unfortunately the Biden administration wasn't imaginative enough to suggest such a thing.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        what i typed is pretty much as much as was said. forced expulsion was never mention. only facilitating relocation for those who want better life/new opportunities. as I posted below, 50% are interested in this. i saw some interviews with gazans that said, that in case EU/USA/Canada will accept refugees, Gaza will become empty overnight.

tguvot 1y ago

around 100k gazans left through egypt in last 2 years. they needed to pay bribes to egyptian officials. when israel after trump announcement said that idf will help people (who want to leave) to leave through israel, everybody screamed that it's literally proof that israel executes genocide and ethnic cleansing typically to be refugee you need to get to country and request this status. you can't get refugee status remotely.

skybrian 1y ago
Trump was talking about forced migration. There's no reason anyone else needs to support that. Legal restrictions could be reduced if there are any counties willing to take refugees.
- tguvot 1y ago
  he wasn't talking about forced migration. he was talking about giving people housing/etc in other countries while gaza been rebuild, and later if they want they can come back. at no point he was saying that gazans will be rounded up and moved out. the way that conversation is going now is (and i am not trump fan): - everybody: gaza is destroyed and nobody can live there. conditions are inhumane - trump: lets allow to people move out to different countries, provide them with housing/jobs/etc while gaza is rebuild - israel: we will help to people who want to leave - to leave - everybody: this is literal genocide and ethnic cleansing. gazans should stay in gaza
  - skybrian 1y ago
    I don't know any details about what the Trump administration proposed. Is there more to it than a few tweets? A US administration that was serious about this would propose a deal to take some refugees from Gaza as a sign of good will. Something like "we will take 25% if other countries agree to take 75%." To say that other countries should take all the refugees, when they've shown no interest in it, is deeply cynical. So I didn't bother to look further. Of course we'd never see that from the Trump administration. Unfortunately the Biden administration wasn't imaginative enough to suggest such a thing.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      what i typed is pretty much as much as was said. forced expulsion was never mention. only facilitating relocation for those who want better life/new opportunities. as I posted below, 50% are interested in this. i saw some interviews with gazans that said, that in case EU/USA/Canada will accept refugees, Gaza will become empty overnight.