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I think of my experience with real world technical people, maybe 2-4% are denialists but those are also very vocal (enough to saturate a place like this). Anoth
by whizzter 1y ago
I think of my experience with real world technical people, maybe 2-4% are denialists but those are also very vocal (enough to saturate a place like this). Another 4-10% are under the sway, and I think that's a fairly reasonable assumption since in Sweden the party that represent those that would vote for the current US admin manages to get about 20% of the electorate (although possibly more in the younger age groups).
It's also a reminder that this is a well known public forum at this point, and those are always targeted by propaganda (or have gotten a large enough mass that denialists have gotten a large enough foothold).
Back in 97-00 slashdot was an amazing site, just a gathering of inquisitive people posting cool stuff. Over the years it degenerated with more hateful stuff despite valiant efforts to adjust moderation causing early people to drop off, this place was amazing back in 2015 when I joined and the work done to keep it somewhat tidy after some 18 years is actually impressive, but I'm also feeling a lot of the same types of comments increase that made slashdot a less interesting place to begin with.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoI’ve never met any reasonably intelligent person in real life that denied climate change, of any kind whatsoever, is happening… There are many people who doubt whether the majority of the observed effect is directly human caused however. Of course whether it’s human caused directly or human caused via 10 degrees of seperation matters little to future generations… but someone, somewhere, needs to actually do the work and provide credible rock solid proof for each and every step along the way. Otherwise the latter group will keep on growing in size and influence.
- phs318u 1y agoThe sheer amount of evidence that the effect is indeed predominantly human-caused is so vast and convincing that at this point, failure to accept it reads like closed minds repeating the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoCan you link the proof then that shows it is predominantly directly human caused?
- JackC 1y agoHere https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/basics-of-climate-change/ https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/climate-cha... It's been below 300 ppm for at least the last 800,000 years, had now increased to over 400 ppm in a pattern that directly maps to the industrial revolution, radiocarbon dating traces the carbon in the atmosphere to "old" carbon like that from fossil fuels, and the known sources of human emissions adequately explain the increase.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoCan you link the actual proof? An argument based on likelihoods and probabilities is not anywhere close to rock solid proof, since the credibility of the folks determining those is what’s doubted in the first place.
- phs318u 1y agoYou are proving my point. "No true Scotsman".
- MichaelZuo 1y agoThat makes no sense… Proofs don’t depend on anyone’s points, by definition. Even if aliens with no human context at all showed up, a full proof will still convince them via pure logic and deduction from basic axioms.
- CyberDildonics 1y agoYou don't think climate change is causes by humans?
- MichaelZuo 1y agoCan you not see the second half of the comment?
- CyberDildonics 1y agoI see people showing you overwhelming evidence and you denying it.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoYou seem very confused? There is only 1 HN user who replied with any link whatsoever (at the time of writing this)… so literally not even multiple “people”. Edit: If you are geniuinely experiencing some kind of vision problems, such that a second user appears to have linked some kind of evidence underneath my comment, I recommend logging off and seeking help for mental/eye issues.
- CyberDildonics 1y agoThis seems like the writing of a kid trying to avoid answering a question.
- MichaelZuo 1y agoIf you really don’t believe the other half of the comment exists… ” Of course whether it’s human caused directly or human caused via 10 degrees of seperation matters little to future generations… but someone, somewhere, needs to actually do the work and provide credible rock solid proof for each and every step along the way. Otherwise the latter group will keep on growing in size and influence.”
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