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Yes! Let's campaign to stop this exploitation! Drug use shots up, crime rises as a result, people die due to plasma shortages, but at least it's not gross, rig

Yes! Let's campaign to stop this exploitation! Drug use shots up, crime rises as a result, people die due to plasma shortages, but at least it's not gross, right?

analognoise 1y ago
Yes there’s nothing we can do. Not socialize medicine and return to a 90% top marginal tax rate for a new deal - you’re right, our only option is increased crime and violence or ghoulishly profiting on the blood of the poor. No other options. /s
- crossbody 1y ago
  "Socialize medicine and 90% top marginal tax rate" - great ideas of you ignore all second order effects (well researched and proven). But then you propose to take away a clearly beneficial opportunity to donate plasma just because it sounds personally gross to you (while people make their own free choice to take this opportunity or not), so not sure a nuanced conversation about 2nd order effects can be held here
  - analognoise 1y ago
    You’re arguing the “second order effects” are literally worse than selling the blood of the poor. Gonna need a source for that trash, chief. Considering we’re the only “advanced” country that does healthcare this poorly, and we have a wild oligarch class that desperately needs to be put in its place, I’m really curious how “healthcare for all and not requiring the poor to sell their own plasma” is the worse option.
    - _mlbt 1y ago
      So where are we supposed to get plasma from? Taxing the rich more and socializing medicine doesn't accomplish that part.
      - analognoise 1y ago
        Here goes: people can donate it without the threat of losing their lives and homes (social violence). You know what sucks? Having what, 150+ “mass casualty” incidents a year, extracting the blood of the poor, then trying to say “hey that reduces crime!” while 5 families have more wealth than 50% of America combined, and the only “advanced” country where medical debt is a leading cause of bankruptcy. There’s no sane washing any of this shit.
        _mlbt 1y ago
        > Here goes: people can donate it without the threat of losing their lives and homes (social violence). Where is the incentive for people to donate plasma other than paying people for it? If people were donating it for free in adequate quantities there wouldn’t be companies paying people for it. I’m not even arguing against socialized medicine, just pointing out that you haven’t provided a better solution to the demand for plasma.
    - crossbody 1y ago
      I am referencing 90% marginal tax and social healthcare for second order effects that include: lack of innovation, shortages, inefficiencies, mass tax evasion, etc. I see that some people being crazy rich is infuriating and very often unjust. And I wish socialism worked. But it doesn't. Look at history and consider second order effects of 90% tax and similar policies. Or more narrowly, imagine you are poor and rely on plasma donations, now that option is gone, what do you do next? Are you better off with that option no longer available?
      - analognoise 1y ago
        "Lack of innovation" - yeah that whole space program thing wasn't super innovative. The stuff that invented the internet. What shortages, are you talking about communism? And we have computers AND helicopters - I think we can handle some tax evaders. If anything doesn't work, it's the system WE HAVE NOW. You're saying "socialism doesn't work" - we're the only country without single payer healthcare. We don't live as long. We pay 2x what other countries do. It just doesn't work... here. It's absolutely a lie that it doesn't work. Socialism works just fine, and it's high time we get there and tax the living crap out of these useless lizard people.
        crossbody 1y ago
        For a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve We know that 90% tax rates are bad since 14th century. Not exactly cutting adge science but somehow many people still don't get it
        analognoise 1y ago
        Sounds like more conservative noise, but we’ve seen they’re clueless on the economy. Just look at how poorly they do.

Yes! Let's campaign to stop this exploitation! Drug use shots up, crime rises as a result, people die due to plasma shortages, but at least it's not gross, right?

analognoise 1y ago

Yes there’s nothing we can do. Not socialize medicine and return to a 90% top marginal tax rate for a new deal - you’re right, our only option is increased crime and violence or ghoulishly profiting on the blood of the poor. No other options. /s

crossbody 1y ago
"Socialize medicine and 90% top marginal tax rate" - great ideas of you ignore all second order effects (well researched and proven). But then you propose to take away a clearly beneficial opportunity to donate plasma just because it sounds personally gross to you (while people make their own free choice to take this opportunity or not), so not sure a nuanced conversation about 2nd order effects can be held here
- analognoise 1y ago
  You’re arguing the “second order effects” are literally worse than selling the blood of the poor. Gonna need a source for that trash, chief. Considering we’re the only “advanced” country that does healthcare this poorly, and we have a wild oligarch class that desperately needs to be put in its place, I’m really curious how “healthcare for all and not requiring the poor to sell their own plasma” is the worse option.
  - _mlbt 1y ago
    So where are we supposed to get plasma from? Taxing the rich more and socializing medicine doesn't accomplish that part.
    - analognoise 1y ago
      Here goes: people can donate it without the threat of losing their lives and homes (social violence). You know what sucks? Having what, 150+ “mass casualty” incidents a year, extracting the blood of the poor, then trying to say “hey that reduces crime!” while 5 families have more wealth than 50% of America combined, and the only “advanced” country where medical debt is a leading cause of bankruptcy. There’s no sane washing any of this shit.
      - _mlbt 1y ago
        > Here goes: people can donate it without the threat of losing their lives and homes (social violence). Where is the incentive for people to donate plasma other than paying people for it? If people were donating it for free in adequate quantities there wouldn’t be companies paying people for it. I’m not even arguing against socialized medicine, just pointing out that you haven’t provided a better solution to the demand for plasma.
  - crossbody 1y ago
    I am referencing 90% marginal tax and social healthcare for second order effects that include: lack of innovation, shortages, inefficiencies, mass tax evasion, etc. I see that some people being crazy rich is infuriating and very often unjust. And I wish socialism worked. But it doesn't. Look at history and consider second order effects of 90% tax and similar policies. Or more narrowly, imagine you are poor and rely on plasma donations, now that option is gone, what do you do next? Are you better off with that option no longer available?
    - analognoise 1y ago
      "Lack of innovation" - yeah that whole space program thing wasn't super innovative. The stuff that invented the internet. What shortages, are you talking about communism? And we have computers AND helicopters - I think we can handle some tax evaders. If anything doesn't work, it's the system WE HAVE NOW. You're saying "socialism doesn't work" - we're the only country without single payer healthcare. We don't live as long. We pay 2x what other countries do. It just doesn't work... here. It's absolutely a lie that it doesn't work. Socialism works just fine, and it's high time we get there and tax the living crap out of these useless lizard people.
      - crossbody 1y ago
        For a start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve We know that 90% tax rates are bad since 14th century. Not exactly cutting adge science but somehow many people still don't get it
        analognoise 1y ago
        Sounds like more conservative noise, but we’ve seen they’re clueless on the economy. Just look at how poorly they do.