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> An Israeli organization calling itself The Civil Front has sparked controversy on social media by producing a song in which children fete the “destruction” in

> An Israeli organization calling itself The Civil Front has sparked controversy on social media by producing a song in which children fete the “destruction” in Gaza and say “nothing will be left there” in a year’s time." That sounds like extreme Israelis, or the average Palestinian. If this were normal, Palestine would just be bombed to dust > "How Israel’s Army Uses Palestinians as Human Shields in Gaza": https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-g https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/14/world/middleeast/israel-g... Yes, that is bad. But that doesn't remove the other thing. Stop thinking in sides and start thinking in principles. If you hide behind civilians in a war then you get to have sympathetic journalists write pieces about the natural results of that practice, but you also clearly don't care about your civilians. > Is that actually what happened? I don't know - I'm responding to earlier in the thread, as that didn't seem to be challenged before. Here[0]'s an example of what they mean, I think. [0] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40530396 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40530396

ceejayoz 1y ago
> If this were normal, Palestine would just be bombed to dust… That process is well on its way to completion. https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-homes-leaves-palestinians-unable-safely-return-rafah https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-hom... "Over 15 months of all-out war on Gaza have left 92 percent of housing units and about 70 percent of all structures destroyed or damaged." > Yes, that is bad. But that doesn't remove the other thing. Certainly. Both are bad! Both should make you angry. > I don't know… Now you do! Less outraged? More skeptical? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron It's squarely in the middle of the West Bank. The list is categorized by physical location; for similar reasons, https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/529 https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/529 is Bolivian, not Catholic. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1565 https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1565 says "a site of pilgrimage for the three monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam".
- philipallstar 1y ago
  > That process is well on its way to completion. That's not bombing. Bombing is generally from the air. I mean they went house to house and tried to clear things out and airdropped warnings at much greater risk to personnel than bombing. To minimise civilian casualties. Now the reality of that is painful still, because war is painful, but their strategy clearly wasn't just to level Gaza or they'd have never done it this way. > Both should make you angry. So don't bring the other thing up when I mention the first thing. You address the first thing instead of this whataboutism. > More skeptical? The pro-Palestinian take is the most credulous one, most likely to be adopted by children and young adults. I'm not saying it's wrong for that reason, but you absolutely need to be a sceptic to even consider Israel's position at all.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > That's not bombing. Oh, come on. Argue in good faith, please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... "By October 2024, Israel said it bombed 40,000 locations in the Gaza Strip (which is 360 km2). By one estimate, as of April 2024 the bomb tonnage dropped on Gaza was more than 70,000 tonnes, surpassing the combined bomb tonnage dropped on Dresden, Hamburg, and London in World War II." That is, on average, almost a ton of explosives per acre. (360 square kilometers is ~89k acres) > So don't bring the other thing up when I mention the first thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSGkogquwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSGkogquwo > The pro-Palestinian take is the most credulous one… The assertions upthread were a lie, which I've demonstrated. You were credulous about them.

ceejayoz 1y ago

> If this were normal, Palestine would just be bombed to dust… That process is well on its way to completion. https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-homes-leaves-palestinians-unable-safely-return-rafah https://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/latest/destruction-hom... "Over 15 months of all-out war on Gaza have left 92 percent of housing units and about 70 percent of all structures destroyed or damaged." > Yes, that is bad. But that doesn't remove the other thing. Certainly. Both are bad! Both should make you angry. > I don't know… Now you do! Less outraged? More skeptical? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron It's squarely in the middle of the West Bank. The list is categorized by physical location; for similar reasons, https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/529 https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/529 is Bolivian, not Catholic. https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1565 https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1565 says "a site of pilgrimage for the three monotheistic religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam".

philipallstar 1y ago
> That process is well on its way to completion. That's not bombing. Bombing is generally from the air. I mean they went house to house and tried to clear things out and airdropped warnings at much greater risk to personnel than bombing. To minimise civilian casualties. Now the reality of that is painful still, because war is painful, but their strategy clearly wasn't just to level Gaza or they'd have never done it this way. > Both should make you angry. So don't bring the other thing up when I mention the first thing. You address the first thing instead of this whataboutism. > More skeptical? The pro-Palestinian take is the most credulous one, most likely to be adopted by children and young adults. I'm not saying it's wrong for that reason, but you absolutely need to be a sceptic to even consider Israel's position at all.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > That's not bombing. Oh, come on. Argue in good faith, please. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... "By October 2024, Israel said it bombed 40,000 locations in the Gaza Strip (which is 360 km2). By one estimate, as of April 2024 the bomb tonnage dropped on Gaza was more than 70,000 tonnes, surpassing the combined bomb tonnage dropped on Dresden, Hamburg, and London in World War II." That is, on average, almost a ton of explosives per acre. (360 square kilometers is ~89k acres) > So don't bring the other thing up when I mention the first thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSGkogquwo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCSGkogquwo > The pro-Palestinian take is the most credulous one… The assertions upthread were a lie, which I've demonstrated. You were credulous about them.