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Source on the imprisoned students? Outrageous, if real.

by moralestapia 1y ago

dangero 1y ago
How can you say outrageous to imprison students without knowing what that particular student did or is accused of?
- moralestapia 1y ago
  I'm replying to @perihelions comment ... The context should be pretty clear. *facepalm*
perihelions 1y ago
The C. elegans PhD student at Univ. of Michigan was ordered held without bond[0], in June; and the Harvard Medical School researcher was freed by a judge after being—unlawfully—caged by ICE for 116 days[1]. Here's[2] the FBI director's Twitter thread about the C. elegans researcher, for a flavor of the MAGA sociology that's driving this. [edit]: His rhetoric in the case in [3] is even less hingèd. [0] https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/06/27/chinese-scholar-from-um-expected-to-plead-guilty-in-smuggling-case/84390464007/ https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/06/27... [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01958-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01958-4 ( https://archive.is/XIONv https://archive.is/XIONv ) [2] https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1932214047300079655 https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/19322140473000796... ("This case is part of a broader effort from the FBI and our federal partners to heavily crack down on similar pathogeon [sic] smuggling operations, as the CCP works relentlessly to undermine America’s research institutions.") [3] https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1930044884284523001 https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/19300448842845230... ("This case is a sobering reminder that the CCP is working around the clock to deploy operatives and researchers to infiltrate American institutions and target our food supply, which would have grave consequences... putting American lives and our economy at serious risk. Your FBI will continue working tirelessly to be on guard against it.")
- moralestapia 1y ago
  Can't read [0] since I'm not a subscriber. >After being charged last month with trying to smuggle frog embryos into the United States, Kseniia Petrova, a Russian bioinformatician, was indicted on 25 June on additional charges by a grand jury in Boston, Massachusetts — including making a false statement to customs agents. Well, that's ... something. Honestly, when I first read your comment I got the impression that these students might have done something innocuous that got grossly misinterpreted (perhaps on purpose) and that's how they got in trouble ... But the ones you showed so far did engage, quite clearly, in criminal behavior. I don't think ICE/Patel/Trump should be blamed for that.
  - throwawaymaths 1y ago
    #3, regardless of intent, is definitely illegal shit. how can you possibly think its ok to smuggle pthogenic fungus into the the country in baggies, then lie about it. it's also surprising there wasn't more scrutiny in the past. there are colonels in the PLA that have actively called for and published materials calling for agro and bio terrorism against the US, and all chinese nationals are required to debrief on return.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberella_zeae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberella_zeae > Experts doubt that the smuggled fungus could be used effectively, since the logistics, as well as physical conditions, such as temperature and humidity, for creating a widespread infection with this pathogen are not straightforward. Furthermore, this fungal infection can be prevented and/or controlled with the use of pesticides and cultural practices, like harvesting early to stop fungal growth. Having said that, if the strain that Jian and Liu brought into the U.S is a new potent variant, there is a possibility of it being an effective weapon. Nevertheless, F. graminearum has been studied in the U.S. for more than a century, and it is a common factor to treat in food safety protocols. You'd expect the CCP to be a little better at it if that were the intention.
      - 1y ago

Source on the imprisoned students? Outrageous, if real.

dangero 1y ago

How can you say outrageous to imprison students without knowing what that particular student did or is accused of?

moralestapia 1y ago
I'm replying to @perihelions comment ... The context should be pretty clear. *facepalm*

perihelions 1y ago

The C. elegans PhD student at Univ. of Michigan was ordered held without bond[0], in June; and the Harvard Medical School researcher was freed by a judge after being—unlawfully—caged by ICE for 116 days[1]. Here's[2] the FBI director's Twitter thread about the C. elegans researcher, for a flavor of the MAGA sociology that's driving this. [edit]: His rhetoric in the case in [3] is even less hingèd. [0] https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/06/27/chinese-scholar-from-um-expected-to-plead-guilty-in-smuggling-case/84390464007/ https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/06/27... [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01958-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01958-4 ( https://archive.is/XIONv https://archive.is/XIONv ) [2] https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1932214047300079655 https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/19322140473000796... ("This case is part of a broader effort from the FBI and our federal partners to heavily crack down on similar pathogeon [sic] smuggling operations, as the CCP works relentlessly to undermine America’s research institutions.") [3] https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/1930044884284523001 https://xcancel.com/FBIDirectorKash/status/19300448842845230... ("This case is a sobering reminder that the CCP is working around the clock to deploy operatives and researchers to infiltrate American institutions and target our food supply, which would have grave consequences... putting American lives and our economy at serious risk. Your FBI will continue working tirelessly to be on guard against it.")

moralestapia 1y ago
Can't read [0] since I'm not a subscriber. >After being charged last month with trying to smuggle frog embryos into the United States, Kseniia Petrova, a Russian bioinformatician, was indicted on 25 June on additional charges by a grand jury in Boston, Massachusetts — including making a false statement to customs agents. Well, that's ... something. Honestly, when I first read your comment I got the impression that these students might have done something innocuous that got grossly misinterpreted (perhaps on purpose) and that's how they got in trouble ... But the ones you showed so far did engage, quite clearly, in criminal behavior. I don't think ICE/Patel/Trump should be blamed for that.
- throwawaymaths 1y ago
  #3, regardless of intent, is definitely illegal shit. how can you possibly think its ok to smuggle pthogenic fungus into the the country in baggies, then lie about it. it's also surprising there wasn't more scrutiny in the past. there are colonels in the PLA that have actively called for and published materials calling for agro and bio terrorism against the US, and all chinese nationals are required to debrief on return.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberella_zeae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibberella_zeae > Experts doubt that the smuggled fungus could be used effectively, since the logistics, as well as physical conditions, such as temperature and humidity, for creating a widespread infection with this pathogen are not straightforward. Furthermore, this fungal infection can be prevented and/or controlled with the use of pesticides and cultural practices, like harvesting early to stop fungal growth. Having said that, if the strain that Jian and Liu brought into the U.S is a new potent variant, there is a possibility of it being an effective weapon. Nevertheless, F. graminearum has been studied in the U.S. for more than a century, and it is a common factor to treat in food safety protocols. You'd expect the CCP to be a little better at it if that were the intention.
    - 1y ago