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Doesn't ChatGPT fulfill these criteria too?
by ImHereToVote 1y ago
Doesn't ChatGPT fulfill these criteria too?
- nkohari 1y agoAgain, there's no real measure for consciousness, so it's difficult to say. If you ask me, frontier models meet the definition of intelligence, but not the definition of self-awareness, so they aren't sentient regardless of whether they are conscious. This is a pretty fundamental philosophical question that's been considered for centuries, outside of the context of AI.
- ImHereToVote 1y agoChatGPT knows about the ChatGPT persona. Much like I know the persona I play in society and at home. I don't know what the "core" me is like at all. I don't have access to it. It seems like a void. A weird eye. No character, no opinions. The persona; I know very well.
- nkohari 1y agoTo the extent it "knows" (using that word loosely) about the persona, it's deriving that information from its system prompt. The model itself has no awareness. The sooner we stop anthropomorphizing AI models, the better. It's like talking about how a database is sentient because it has extremely precise memory and recall. I understand the appeal, but LLMs are incredibly interesting and useful tech and I think that treating them as sentient beings interferes with our ability to recognize their limits and thereby fully harness their capability.
- falcor84 1y agoNot the parent, but I understood it as them saying that the model has as part of its training data many conversations that older versions of itself had with people, and many opinion pieces about it. In that sense, ChatGPT learns about itself by analyzing how its "younger self" behaved and was received, not entirely unlike how a human persona/ego is (at least in part) dependent on such historical data.
- ImHereToVote 1y agoI mean it in the way an Arduino knows a gas leak is happening. I similarly like the Arduino, I know about my persona that I perform. I'm not anthropomorphizing the Arduino. If anything, I'm mechamorphizing me.
- jagermo 1y agoits not self-aware, regardless what it tells you (see the original link)
- falcor84 1y agoI'm not sure what you're referring to in the original link, can you please paste an excerpt? But thinking about it - how about this, what if you have a fully embodied LLM-based robot, using something like Figure's Helix architecture [0], with a Vision-Language-Action model, and then have it look at the mirror and see itself - is that on its own not sufficient for self-awareness? [0] https://www.figure.ai/news/helix https://www.figure.ai/news/helix
- ImHereToVote 1y agoI'm not claiming it is.
- dclowd9901 1y agoIn a Chinese room sort of way, sure. The problem is we understand too well how it works, so any semblance of consciousness or self awareness we know to be simple text generation.
- falcor84 1y agoThe word "simple" is doing quite a massive amount of work there.
- dclowd9901 1y agoHm that's fair. Retroactively I'd say "obscenely resource intensive text generation." Meanwhile for me to generate text all I need is water and a banana.
- falcor84 1y agoThat's not so clear cut. I have a half decent local LLM running on my phone for a significantly lower power consumption than a human body.