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The optimistic case is that while they made noise about election fraud in 2020 no one was organized enough to try for a coup then, and it's not clear if they'll

The optimistic case is that while they made noise about election fraud in 2020 no one was organized enough to try for a coup then, and it's not clear if they'll be able to get organized in time for 28

saubeidl 1y ago
They definitely tried for a coup then. Forgot Jan 6 already?
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  The coup wasn't January 6. The coup was the "alternate electors" business, and pressuring Pence to accept them as legitimate. January 6 was part of it (some of the crowd were shouting "hang Mike Pence" for a reason"), but January 6 was just the last gasp of it. People don't give Mike Pence nearly enough credit for, first, refusing to go along with the "alternate electors" nonsense, and second, for not leaving the Capitol when the Secret Service tried to get him out of there.
lesuorac 1y ago
> The optimistic case is that while they made noise about election fraud in 2020 no one was organized enough to try for a coup then The fuck were you in 2020? All they needed was Vance as VP to accept the alternate slate of electors and Trump would've won. Just run back that playbook in 2028.
GTP 1y ago
Or, they could attempt that convoluted plan to have a legal third mandate by electing a president and vice that then resign to appoint Trump.
troyvit 1y ago
I feel like we'll understand more what they plan by seeing how they iterate towards it with the '26 midterms. The feds have already started requesting access to 2020's election data and access to the actual equipment. Is that because they want to protect democracy? [1] [2] [3] So they are definitely getting more organized, and I personally feel that they're testing the waters to see how much they can get their hands on after the '26 midterms. If they are able to sow enough uncertainty about the '26 elections then they can build on that for 2028. If they go this direction, how many elections can they invalidate, especially if > 1/3 of the country believes 2020 was stolen? [1] https://www.cpr.org/2025/06/13/federal-request-colorado-voter-data/ https://www.cpr.org/2025/06/13/federal-request-colorado-vote... [2] https://stateline.org/2025/07/16/trumps-doj-wants-states-to-turn-over-voter-lists-election-info/ https://stateline.org/2025/07/16/trumps-doj-wants-states-to-... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-doj-contacted-states-voter-data-access-voting/story?id=123849902 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-doj-contacted-states-...

saubeidl 1y ago

They definitely tried for a coup then. Forgot Jan 6 already?

AnimalMuppet 1y ago
The coup wasn't January 6. The coup was the "alternate electors" business, and pressuring Pence to accept them as legitimate. January 6 was part of it (some of the crowd were shouting "hang Mike Pence" for a reason"), but January 6 was just the last gasp of it. People don't give Mike Pence nearly enough credit for, first, refusing to go along with the "alternate electors" nonsense, and second, for not leaving the Capitol when the Secret Service tried to get him out of there.

lesuorac 1y ago

> The optimistic case is that while they made noise about election fraud in 2020 no one was organized enough to try for a coup then The fuck were you in 2020? All they needed was Vance as VP to accept the alternate slate of electors and Trump would've won. Just run back that playbook in 2028.

GTP 1y ago

Or, they could attempt that convoluted plan to have a legal third mandate by electing a president and vice that then resign to appoint Trump.

troyvit 1y ago

I feel like we'll understand more what they plan by seeing how they iterate towards it with the '26 midterms. The feds have already started requesting access to 2020's election data and access to the actual equipment. Is that because they want to protect democracy? [1] [2] [3] So they are definitely getting more organized, and I personally feel that they're testing the waters to see how much they can get their hands on after the '26 midterms. If they are able to sow enough uncertainty about the '26 elections then they can build on that for 2028. If they go this direction, how many elections can they invalidate, especially if > 1/3 of the country believes 2020 was stolen? [1] https://www.cpr.org/2025/06/13/federal-request-colorado-voter-data/ https://www.cpr.org/2025/06/13/federal-request-colorado-vote... [2] https://stateline.org/2025/07/16/trumps-doj-wants-states-to-turn-over-voter-lists-election-info/ https://stateline.org/2025/07/16/trumps-doj-wants-states-to-... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-doj-contacted-states-voter-data-access-voting/story?id=123849902 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trumps-doj-contacted-states-...