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Do you know how big the gulf is between a first class ticket and a private jet? Having more options between those two would reach a huge market, especially if i

Do you know how big the gulf is between a first class ticket and a private jet? Having more options between those two would reach a huge market, especially if it saved time instead of just offering “luxury.”

dylan604 1y ago
I assume anyone that can afford a first class that isn't having it paid for by a company can also afford a ride on a private plane. They just choose not to.
- eightysixfour 1y ago
  What are you talking about? LA to NYC first class (lie flat) on American = $3k LA to NYC on a super-midsize PJ (seats 8) = ~$50k Even empty legs cost way more than this: Miami to NYC on a Citation X = $24k Not only that, but on a cross-country flight, the commercial first class is more comfortable than a midsize.
wkat4242 1y ago
It depends how many people you bring on the private jet. Rich people usually come with quite the entourage. I'd imagine that becomes cheaper pretty quickly
- dylan604 1y ago
  It's not an incorrect statement, if for the flippant reason. To charter a jet, you pay for the jet in total not for individual ticket sales. So if you divide the jet's charter price by the number of people and each person chips in does become more feasible. Plus the amount of time you don't need to spend at airports waiting, going through security, waiting for baggage claim, etc. Private jets also fly faster than commercial, so there's an additional bit of time saving as well
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    Private jets fly faster? Both fly very close to the speed of sound, so they really can't fly much faster. But yes that's what I meant, with a private plane you pay for the plane not per seat. I guess chartering a netjet would be cheaper than say 8 first-class seats.
    - dylan604 1y ago
      Say you're a family of 5. You could be a set of dick parents and mom&dad get first class while sending the 3 kids into coach. Pricing whatever 5 tickets can add up quick. So even for a family it could become viable to charter a jet vs flying commercial. Again, you get the added benefits of such an easier airport experience. And yes, private jets tend to fly faster. Yes, commercial jets can fly faster, but they don't as they have determined the most fuel efficient cruising speeds. Private jets are less concerned about that. You can see the same thing with your car. The faster you drive, the worse your MPG.
      - adastra22 1y ago
        It’s not a lot faster though. They can also fly more direct routes sometimes, which also is a small gain. I’ve looked at it a few times and flying private is just tantalizingly out of reach for a private vacation with a large family. Far less cost than you would expect (but still a 1% privilege).
        dylan604 1y ago
        Sounds like your top 10 Facebook friends to survive the zombie apocalypse doesn't have the right balance. You gotta have a pilot friend in the list. Mechanic friend, a knitter, a building trades type, a farmer/rancher type are all good. Drop lawyers, artists, coders. The choice is yours and the benefits are what you sow
    - sidewndr46 1y ago
      It isn't the planes speed that makes private jets faster. It's the fact that you don't spend hours sitting on the tarmac at the destination waiting on an open gate. You drop the stairs, grab your bags, and walk out of the airport. Did I mention private jets aren't subject to the TSA?
adastra22 1y ago
Less than you think. A private jet is between $600 - $1000 per hour on the low end. That’s close to the numbers people here are talking about for resumed supersonic ticket prices, and certainly within range of the historical Concorde price.
- eightysixfour 1y ago
  Not for one flying cross-continent, which is what this is competing with. Go look up how much it costs to fly from LA to NY on a charter flight.
  - adastra22 1y ago
    I’m talking about rented gulfstream jets. What are you talking about?

dylan604 1y ago

I assume anyone that can afford a first class that isn't having it paid for by a company can also afford a ride on a private plane. They just choose not to.

eightysixfour 1y ago
What are you talking about? LA to NYC first class (lie flat) on American = $3k LA to NYC on a super-midsize PJ (seats 8) = ~$50k Even empty legs cost way more than this: Miami to NYC on a Citation X = $24k Not only that, but on a cross-country flight, the commercial first class is more comfortable than a midsize.

wkat4242 1y ago

It depends how many people you bring on the private jet. Rich people usually come with quite the entourage. I'd imagine that becomes cheaper pretty quickly

dylan604 1y ago
It's not an incorrect statement, if for the flippant reason. To charter a jet, you pay for the jet in total not for individual ticket sales. So if you divide the jet's charter price by the number of people and each person chips in does become more feasible. Plus the amount of time you don't need to spend at airports waiting, going through security, waiting for baggage claim, etc. Private jets also fly faster than commercial, so there's an additional bit of time saving as well
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Private jets fly faster? Both fly very close to the speed of sound, so they really can't fly much faster. But yes that's what I meant, with a private plane you pay for the plane not per seat. I guess chartering a netjet would be cheaper than say 8 first-class seats.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    Say you're a family of 5. You could be a set of dick parents and mom&dad get first class while sending the 3 kids into coach. Pricing whatever 5 tickets can add up quick. So even for a family it could become viable to charter a jet vs flying commercial. Again, you get the added benefits of such an easier airport experience. And yes, private jets tend to fly faster. Yes, commercial jets can fly faster, but they don't as they have determined the most fuel efficient cruising speeds. Private jets are less concerned about that. You can see the same thing with your car. The faster you drive, the worse your MPG.
    - adastra22 1y ago
      It’s not a lot faster though. They can also fly more direct routes sometimes, which also is a small gain. I’ve looked at it a few times and flying private is just tantalizingly out of reach for a private vacation with a large family. Far less cost than you would expect (but still a 1% privilege).
      - dylan604 1y ago
        Sounds like your top 10 Facebook friends to survive the zombie apocalypse doesn't have the right balance. You gotta have a pilot friend in the list. Mechanic friend, a knitter, a building trades type, a farmer/rancher type are all good. Drop lawyers, artists, coders. The choice is yours and the benefits are what you sow
  - sidewndr46 1y ago
    It isn't the planes speed that makes private jets faster. It's the fact that you don't spend hours sitting on the tarmac at the destination waiting on an open gate. You drop the stairs, grab your bags, and walk out of the airport. Did I mention private jets aren't subject to the TSA?

adastra22 1y ago

Less than you think. A private jet is between $600 - $1000 per hour on the low end. That’s close to the numbers people here are talking about for resumed supersonic ticket prices, and certainly within range of the historical Concorde price.

eightysixfour 1y ago
Not for one flying cross-continent, which is what this is competing with. Go look up how much it costs to fly from LA to NY on a charter flight.
- adastra22 1y ago
  I’m talking about rented gulfstream jets. What are you talking about?