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"doing everything on the internet" definitely worked out, but I don't see why that implies "GPU accelerated LLMs will replace large swathes of human labor" will

"doing everything on the internet" definitely worked out, but I don't see why that implies "GPU accelerated LLMs will replace large swathes of human labor" will also be true

usrnm 1y ago
That's not what I'm saying. What dotcoms prove is that some technology can be a bubble and a real technological revolution at the same time, there is no contradiction here. "AI is a bubble and I probably shouldn't invest all my savings in NVDA" is a valid point, "AI is a bubble and therefore stupid and will never work" is not
cmrdporcupine 1y ago
If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. You can bet that even if the specific forms attempted in this interval don't take hold, they will eventually. You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power.
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. what about improved life quality? what about an explosion of types of jobs? > You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power. do you think the average citizen (or the collective) have MORE power or LESS power than 100 years ago, than 200 years ago?
  - miltonlost 1y ago
    What about productivity gains going to the top 1%? What about income inequality? Capitalism is not labor friendly in the slightest.
  - cmrdporcupine 1y ago
    I never said anything about life quality, only that automation is an inevitability. What I said vs what you imagined I said are two different things.
    - andsoitis 1y ago
      Fair enough. Maybe I read too much between the lines. Apologies.
  - queenkjuul 1y ago
    Than 100 years ago? Very much might be less, honestly, given modern police, media, and surveillance power and the decimation of labor unions since then.
illiac786 1y ago
I disagree on the “doing everything on the internet”. Social network is something we definitely “do” on the internet nowadays but I wouldn’t say that this “worked out”, and we’re only now starting to grasp how badly it’s working. But agreed on the overall meaning of the comment, LLMs promises are still exaggerated.

"doing everything on the internet" definitely worked out, but I don't see why that implies "GPU accelerated LLMs will replace large swathes of human labor" will also be true

usrnm 1y ago

That's not what I'm saying. What dotcoms prove is that some technology can be a bubble and a real technological revolution at the same time, there is no contradiction here. "AI is a bubble and I probably shouldn't invest all my savings in NVDA" is a valid point, "AI is a bubble and therefore stupid and will never work" is not

cmrdporcupine 1y ago

If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. You can bet that even if the specific forms attempted in this interval don't take hold, they will eventually. You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power.

andsoitis 1y ago
> If there's anything that can be reliably predicated to be true over multiple decades it's that capitalism will continually seek to reduce labour costs and automate everything. what about improved life quality? what about an explosion of types of jobs? > You and I are too expensive, and have had too much power. do you think the average citizen (or the collective) have MORE power or LESS power than 100 years ago, than 200 years ago?
- miltonlost 1y ago
  What about productivity gains going to the top 1%? What about income inequality? Capitalism is not labor friendly in the slightest.
- cmrdporcupine 1y ago
  I never said anything about life quality, only that automation is an inevitability. What I said vs what you imagined I said are two different things.
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    Fair enough. Maybe I read too much between the lines. Apologies.
- queenkjuul 1y ago
  Than 100 years ago? Very much might be less, honestly, given modern police, media, and surveillance power and the decimation of labor unions since then.

illiac786 1y ago

I disagree on the “doing everything on the internet”. Social network is something we definitely “do” on the internet nowadays but I wouldn’t say that this “worked out”, and we’re only now starting to grasp how badly it’s working. But agreed on the overall meaning of the comment, LLMs promises are still exaggerated.