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There are plenty of well documented and unambiguous cases where the CIA has overthrown governments, directly interfered in elections and exerted covert influenc

by simonh 1y ago

There are plenty of well documented and unambiguous cases where the CIA has overthrown governments, directly interfered in elections and exerted covert influence but Ukraine really doesn't look like one of them. Possibly in the covert influence sense, sure, but nowhere near at the level of determining the outcome. The constitutional crisis in Ukraine in 2014 was between President Yanukovych and the Ukrainian Parliament, which is actually the sovereign institution. In a constitutional sense it wasn't even really a revolution because the sovereign institution was never overthrown. It pressured Yanukovych into resigning, backed by massive public support.

coldtea 1y ago
There are no sovereign institutions in client states except in name. And anybody who tries otherwise (like spurning the IMF), gets economic, diplomatic, and even personal blackmail. Propping a dissident far right ultra-nationalist minority to build up as "mass revolt" is then easy, classic Banana Republic style.
- simonh 1y ago
  A 'far right' government that has a jewish president, and which large numbers of LGBT+ citizens have flocked to support militarily. https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/ https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/
  - coldtea 1y ago
    >A 'far right' government that has a jewish president Why, are we in 1930s Germany when those things were incompatible? It's 2025, get on with the times: https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crimes https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crime... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-french-president-would-be-excellent-says-likud-minister-adds-netanyahu-agrees/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-frenc... Supporting Jews and Israel especially is a great way for modern far-right to get allies on its anti-immigrant and anti-muslim campaigns. The same is increasingly true for LGBT+ rights (take Geert Wilders as an example).

by simonh 1y ago

coldtea 1y ago

There are no sovereign institutions in client states except in name. And anybody who tries otherwise (like spurning the IMF), gets economic, diplomatic, and even personal blackmail. Propping a dissident far right ultra-nationalist minority to build up as "mass revolt" is then easy, classic Banana Republic style.

simonh 1y ago
A 'far right' government that has a jewish president, and which large numbers of LGBT+ citizens have flocked to support militarily. https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/ https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/
- coldtea 1y ago
  >A 'far right' government that has a jewish president Why, are we in 1930s Germany when those things were incompatible? It's 2025, get on with the times: https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crimes https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crime... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-french-president-would-be-excellent-says-likud-minister-adds-netanyahu-agrees/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-frenc... Supporting Jews and Israel especially is a great way for modern far-right to get allies on its anti-immigrant and anti-muslim campaigns. The same is increasingly true for LGBT+ rights (take Geert Wilders as an example).