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This is an extremely credulous take. Even reading the press release it's obvious Gabbard (a massive defender of Putin's Russia) is conflating two entirely diffe

This is an extremely credulous take. Even reading the press release it's obvious Gabbard (a massive defender of Putin's Russia) is conflating two entirely different things, namely hacking election infrastructure vs the massive political influence/misinformation campaigns. You might also recall a Senate Republican-led effort that determined that Russia did attempt to influence us elections in favor of Trump, unless you are avoiding facts that don't confirm your priors.

gadders 1y ago
>>You might also recall a Senate Republican-led effort that determined that Russia did attempt to influence us elections in favor of Trump, unless you are avoiding facts that don't confirm your priors. At Trump's request though? That was the lie from Obama.
- Aloisius 1y ago
  Source? Obama didn't actually talk about Russian election interference until after the 2016 election due to a fear it would appear partisan. In interviews afterward, he avoided suggesting Trump or his campaign coordinated with Russia at all. I can't find anything about Obama accusing Trump of asking Russia to interfere. It would be so out of character that it is hard to believe.
- lazide 1y ago
  Trump literally asked Russia to do it on national TV. I watched it. The problem was that Obama didn’t do anything about it, include calling it out at the time.
  - gadders 1y ago
    You think that one-liner on TV was the whole of the Russia/Trump collusion scandal?
    - lazide 1y ago
      Anyone claiming ‘that never happened’ while missing the obvious direct statement from Trump himself is a delusional idiot, not counting everything else going on. The rest of the evidence makes it even more damning.
      - gadders 1y ago
        I see what you are saying. Makes perfect sense. Trump worked on a massive plan with Putin to influence the US election. However, rather than bothering with encrypted messages, dead drops etc, they both decided that the best way to manage this TOP SECRET PLOT was for Trump to ask for help from Russia in a TV interview.
        lazide 1y ago
        And then verifiably received that help. (The one sided targeted email leaks right afterwards) Who is dumber - the one who does the dumb thing, or the one who refuses to believe that the person did the dumb thing literally right in front of them, and then refuses to act. No one has to be sophisticated when the world is willfully this stupid. The US is like the wife that insists their husband is faithful (and punishes the kids who try to say something) while the husband is literally cheating right in front of them.
        gadders 1y ago
        You appear to be factually wrong. PBS: "“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference." Wikipedia: These emails were subsequently leaked by DCLeaks in June and July 2016[2] and by WikiLeaks on July 22, 2016, just before the 2016 Democratic National Convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...
        lazide 1y ago

gadders 1y ago

>>You might also recall a Senate Republican-led effort that determined that Russia did attempt to influence us elections in favor of Trump, unless you are avoiding facts that don't confirm your priors. At Trump's request though? That was the lie from Obama.

Aloisius 1y ago
Source? Obama didn't actually talk about Russian election interference until after the 2016 election due to a fear it would appear partisan. In interviews afterward, he avoided suggesting Trump or his campaign coordinated with Russia at all. I can't find anything about Obama accusing Trump of asking Russia to interfere. It would be so out of character that it is hard to believe.
lazide 1y ago
Trump literally asked Russia to do it on national TV. I watched it. The problem was that Obama didn’t do anything about it, include calling it out at the time.
- gadders 1y ago
  You think that one-liner on TV was the whole of the Russia/Trump collusion scandal?
  - lazide 1y ago
    Anyone claiming ‘that never happened’ while missing the obvious direct statement from Trump himself is a delusional idiot, not counting everything else going on. The rest of the evidence makes it even more damning.
    - gadders 1y ago
      I see what you are saying. Makes perfect sense. Trump worked on a massive plan with Putin to influence the US election. However, rather than bothering with encrypted messages, dead drops etc, they both decided that the best way to manage this TOP SECRET PLOT was for Trump to ask for help from Russia in a TV interview.
      - lazide 1y ago
        And then verifiably received that help. (The one sided targeted email leaks right afterwards) Who is dumber - the one who does the dumb thing, or the one who refuses to believe that the person did the dumb thing literally right in front of them, and then refuses to act. No one has to be sophisticated when the world is willfully this stupid. The US is like the wife that insists their husband is faithful (and punishes the kids who try to say something) while the husband is literally cheating right in front of them.
        gadders 1y ago
        You appear to be factually wrong. PBS: "“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press,” Trump said in a July 27, 2016 news conference." Wikipedia: These emails were subsequently leaked by DCLeaks in June and July 2016[2] and by WikiLeaks on July 22, 2016, just before the 2016 Democratic National Convention. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Commi...
        lazide 1y ago