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>This is a slur against the genuine demands for freedom from those countries, and not one you'd say if you listen to people from there. People from there do sa
by coldtea 1y ago
>This is a slur against the genuine demands for freedom from those countries, and not one you'd say if you listen to people from there.
People from there do say those things just as well. Unless one only hears the expats that say what he wants to hear and/or have adopted their host countries politics, or only taks to people who share his own lifestyle, which are usually hardly representative, there's even a name for this phenomenon in journalism, because it's often how things are told in western media.
The "genuine demands for freedom for those countries" range from actual ones, to orange "revolutions", to astroturfed bullshit, to grooming the political establishment and civic society with tons of imperial money.
- simonh 1y agoThere are plenty of well documented and unambiguous cases where the CIA has overthrown governments, directly interfered in elections and exerted covert influence but Ukraine really doesn't look like one of them. Possibly in the covert influence sense, sure, but nowhere near at the level of determining the outcome. The constitutional crisis in Ukraine in 2014 was between President Yanukovych and the Ukrainian Parliament, which is actually the sovereign institution. In a constitutional sense it wasn't even really a revolution because the sovereign institution was never overthrown. It pressured Yanukovych into resigning, backed by massive public support.
- coldtea 1y agoThere are no sovereign institutions in client states except in name. And anybody who tries otherwise (like spurning the IMF), gets economic, diplomatic, and even personal blackmail. Propping a dissident far right ultra-nationalist minority to build up as "mass revolt" is then easy, classic Banana Republic style.
- simonh 1y agoA 'far right' government that has a jewish president, and which large numbers of LGBT+ citizens have flocked to support militarily. https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/ https://www.lgbtmilitary.org.ua/en/
- coldtea 1y ago>A 'far right' government that has a jewish president Why, are we in 1930s Germany when those things were incompatible? It's 2025, get on with the times: https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crimes https://jacobin.com/2025/04/orban-netanyahu-israel-war-crime... https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-french-president-would-be-excellent-says-likud-minister-adds-netanyahu-agrees/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/le-pen-as-frenc... Supporting Jews and Israel especially is a great way for modern far-right to get allies on its anti-immigrant and anti-muslim campaigns. The same is increasingly true for LGBT+ rights (take Geert Wilders as an example).
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