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So countries in Latin America didn't want to be "free" as well?

pjc50 1y ago
I don't think people wanted Pinochet and his torture and murder spree, no. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14584095 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14584095
- bloudibop 1y ago
  You are correct, originally people of Chile voted for Salvador Allende, A leftist politician. But that has been deemed unfit by the CIA and somehow Pinochet coup d'etat succeeded. Backing from the US helped a lot there.
- skeezyboy 1y ago
  man youve got to be borderline retarded to believe that shit. what about Jacobo Árbenz? And Americans have the fuckin cheek to cry over Russian election interference - richest country in the world crying about how "unfair" everything is
- gadders 1y ago
  Well that's one country in South America. What about the rest?
  - lazide 1y ago
    heard of Venezula? [https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-latin-america/ https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-l...] US support for the ‘64 Military coup in Brazil? [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%...] and Bolivia. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...] Not to mention all the drug war meddling in Columbia, etc. Or the really crazy Operation Condor [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor]. Which included Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Peru. You’d have to be willfully ignorant to not know this history. Screwing with South America has to be one of the CIA’s favorite hobbies.
    - gadders 1y ago
      You misunderstand me. I'm not saying the USA doesn't screw with Latin America. I'm saying it's also screwing with Eastern Europe via it's Colour Revolutions etc, but people seem more willing to accept that or look the other way.
      - mopsi 1y ago
        I'm here and I don't see it. It sounds like a kind of American provincialism to think that everything revolves around them.
        bigbadfeline 1y ago
        > I'm here and I don't see it. You mean in Ukraine, right? It's quite normal to not see something that's been carefully designed to be invisible. > It sounds like a kind of American provincialism to think that everything revolves around them. Those words are a sure sign of serious brainwashing, similar to the Russian side. In the meantime the dead keep piling up... Quo bono?
        mopsi 1y ago
        > You mean in Ukraine, right? No. > Those words are a sure sign of serious brainwashing, Hardly. Pinning all recent human history on the CIA seems like a "to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail" kind of thing. The world is far more complex than stale Usenet copypastas suggest, and the CIA is entirely outclassed by a number intelligence organizations in Eastern Europe purely it lacks an understanding of local history and culture. For the longest time, Eastern Europe has been academically taught through a Russian-centric lens. It's like learning the history of Africa through the perspective of colonial empires rather than the natives; gives barely any understanding what's going on between the different peoples of Africa. This has led to major intelligence failures, such as the failure to accurately predict the collapse of the USSR, which took CIA analysts by surprise. This, in turn, left everyone in Eastern Europe stunned: how could they be so completely oblivious to the facts on the ground?! That gave a lifelong immunity to the whole category of "almighty CIA" conspiracy theories.

I don't think people wanted Pinochet and his torture and murder spree, no. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14584095 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-14584095

bloudibop 1y ago
You are correct, originally people of Chile voted for Salvador Allende, A leftist politician. But that has been deemed unfit by the CIA and somehow Pinochet coup d'etat succeeded. Backing from the US helped a lot there.
skeezyboy 1y ago
man youve got to be borderline retarded to believe that shit. what about Jacobo Árbenz? And Americans have the fuckin cheek to cry over Russian election interference - richest country in the world crying about how "unfair" everything is
gadders 1y ago
Well that's one country in South America. What about the rest?
- lazide 1y ago
  heard of Venezula? [https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-latin-america/ https://time.com/5512005/venezuela-us-intervention-history-l...] US support for the ‘64 Military coup in Brazil? [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%...] and Bolivia. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in...] Not to mention all the drug war meddling in Columbia, etc. Or the really crazy Operation Condor [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor]. Which included Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, and Peru. You’d have to be willfully ignorant to not know this history. Screwing with South America has to be one of the CIA’s favorite hobbies.
  - gadders 1y ago
    You misunderstand me. I'm not saying the USA doesn't screw with Latin America. I'm saying it's also screwing with Eastern Europe via it's Colour Revolutions etc, but people seem more willing to accept that or look the other way.
    - mopsi 1y ago
      I'm here and I don't see it. It sounds like a kind of American provincialism to think that everything revolves around them.
      - bigbadfeline 1y ago
        > I'm here and I don't see it. You mean in Ukraine, right? It's quite normal to not see something that's been carefully designed to be invisible. > It sounds like a kind of American provincialism to think that everything revolves around them. Those words are a sure sign of serious brainwashing, similar to the Russian side. In the meantime the dead keep piling up... Quo bono?
        mopsi 1y ago
        > You mean in Ukraine, right? No. > Those words are a sure sign of serious brainwashing, Hardly. Pinning all recent human history on the CIA seems like a "to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail" kind of thing. The world is far more complex than stale Usenet copypastas suggest, and the CIA is entirely outclassed by a number intelligence organizations in Eastern Europe purely it lacks an understanding of local history and culture. For the longest time, Eastern Europe has been academically taught through a Russian-centric lens. It's like learning the history of Africa through the perspective of colonial empires rather than the natives; gives barely any understanding what's going on between the different peoples of Africa. This has led to major intelligence failures, such as the failure to accurately predict the collapse of the USSR, which took CIA analysts by surprise. This, in turn, left everyone in Eastern Europe stunned: how could they be so completely oblivious to the facts on the ground?! That gave a lifelong immunity to the whole category of "almighty CIA" conspiracy theories.