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I don't remember the title, but someone wrote a story were an AI would use the (imperceptible) flickering of a fluorescent lightbulb and a camera to transmit in

by otikik 1y ago

I don't remember the title, but someone wrote a story were an AI would use the (imperceptible) flickering of a fluorescent lightbulb and a camera to transmit information across such an "air gap".

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NilMostChill 1y ago
There's a comic out right now positing that a sufficiently intelligent AI with appropriate access could use imperceptible (to us) vibrations from mechanical computing parts like spinning rust HDD's etc. It's a throwaway mechanic in the comic, but it seems plausible. In certain places the power companies are/were passing time information throughout the whole grid - https://www.nist.gov/publications/time-and-frequency-electrical-power-lines https://www.nist.gov/publications/time-and-frequency-electri...
- khafra 1y ago
  That's not a comic, and it's not artificial superintelligence: https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05915 https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05915 Whatever AI comes up with by 2030 is going to be much more clever and unexpected.
  - NilMostChill 1y ago
    The comic(manga actually) i was referring to was "Origin" by the manga author Boichi. I'll have a read of the paper, seems like it's similar in concept
- HarHarVeryFunny 1y ago
  You don't need an AI to come up with remote sensing or air gap traversal capabilities though. Note for example TEMPEST surveillance, or using a distant laser to pickup speech in a room based on window vibrations. Air-gap traversal is easily done by exploiting human weaknesses (e.g. curiousity to pick up a USB drive to see what's on it), and was successfully done by Stuxnet.
  - NilMostChill 1y ago
    Indeed, there are lots of methods, but i was specifically thinking of the possibility of a method an isolated AI might feasibly figure out with only the tools it has easily available to it. But as someone said earlier, the real interesting part is when/if they start figuring out novel concepts we as humans haven't even considered.
Cthulhu_ 1y ago
Not unheard of, there was a paper about doing keylogging through the tiny EM fluctuations from a computer's power supply for example: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10197022 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10197022 Or data exfiltration through fan noise (60 bits/min): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167404820300080 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01674... Or data transfer between computers using only speakers: https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03422 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03422 The list goes on.

by otikik 1y ago

I don't remember the title, but someone wrote a story were an AI would use the (imperceptible) flickering of a fluorescent lightbulb and a camera to transmit information across such an "air gap".

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NilMostChill 1y ago

There's a comic out right now positing that a sufficiently intelligent AI with appropriate access could use imperceptible (to us) vibrations from mechanical computing parts like spinning rust HDD's etc. It's a throwaway mechanic in the comic, but it seems plausible. In certain places the power companies are/were passing time information throughout the whole grid - https://www.nist.gov/publications/time-and-frequency-electrical-power-lines https://www.nist.gov/publications/time-and-frequency-electri...

khafra 1y ago
That's not a comic, and it's not artificial superintelligence: https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05915 https://arxiv.org/abs/1606.05915 Whatever AI comes up with by 2030 is going to be much more clever and unexpected.
- NilMostChill 1y ago
  The comic(manga actually) i was referring to was "Origin" by the manga author Boichi. I'll have a read of the paper, seems like it's similar in concept
HarHarVeryFunny 1y ago
You don't need an AI to come up with remote sensing or air gap traversal capabilities though. Note for example TEMPEST surveillance, or using a distant laser to pickup speech in a room based on window vibrations. Air-gap traversal is easily done by exploiting human weaknesses (e.g. curiousity to pick up a USB drive to see what's on it), and was successfully done by Stuxnet.
- NilMostChill 1y ago
  Indeed, there are lots of methods, but i was specifically thinking of the possibility of a method an isolated AI might feasibly figure out with only the tools it has easily available to it. But as someone said earlier, the real interesting part is when/if they start figuring out novel concepts we as humans haven't even considered.

Cthulhu_ 1y ago

Not unheard of, there was a paper about doing keylogging through the tiny EM fluctuations from a computer's power supply for example: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10197022 https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10197022 Or data exfiltration through fan noise (60 bits/min): https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167404820300080 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01674... Or data transfer between computers using only speakers: https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03422 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03422 The list goes on.