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If octopi could live up to 20 years of age and have several births,if they can teach their young , we would be seeing another intelligent civilization in earth.
by v3ss0n 1y ago
If octopi could live up to 20 years of age and have several births,if they can teach their young , we would be seeing another intelligent civilization in earth. It lead me to wonder are there ancient ancestors of octopi that are more intelligent or lives longer than octopi? Are there deep ocean unknown species of octopi exist hundreds of millions years ago and if they have a civilization Will we ever know since octopi rarely leave fossil due to their soft,boneless bodies? What if octopi were just less intelligence species of something more intelligent - like difference between chimps vs human?
Maybe octopi are Best candidate for Silurian hypothesis?
- aa-jv 1y agoI share your enthusiasm for all of these questions .. as a fellow octopus enthusiast, are you familiar with the recently discovered octopus civilization? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopolis_and_Octlantis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopolis_and_Octlantis https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/octopus-city-observed-180964936/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/octopus-city-obser... We may just simply be overlooking the obvious examples of their civilized behaviour in our rush to add them to our dining table ..
- v3ss0n 1y agoYes I had seen that not too long ago. Very amazing. That's why I wonder , what if we have a civilization of ancestor or sub species of Octopuses living deep where we haven't explored. Also looks like octopi are more space faring capable than human due to their body adapted to zero gravity situations.
- hermitcrab 1y agoDumbo Octopus have been discovered 7km deep: https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-a-dumbo-octopus.html https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/what-is-a-dumbo-octopus.html Building a technological civilization underwater would be quite a challenge though!
- v3ss0n 1y agoSome already started to civilize. But what if theirs longer living octopi ancestors existed back in Cambrian period and had a functional civilization ? we will never know. Looking at what they are building at Octopolis and Octlantis they had reached what human did 200k years ago.
- aa-jv 1y agoThere has also been an 'octopus nursery' (social behaviour) discovered in the deep sea, which sort of re-wrote the rules on the 'solitary octopus' hypothesis: https://schmidtocean.org/scientists-discover-new-deep-sea-octopus-nurseries-in-costa-rica/ https://schmidtocean.org/scientists-discover-new-deep-sea-oc... I think there is a lot more to be learned about these wonderful creatures, and I avidly await all such discoveries ..
- ranguna 1y agoTIL the word octopus is not from Latin origin, it's Greek and it's plural is octopodes, but somewhere along the history of the English language, people decided to accept octopuses as the most common and correct plural of octopus. Therefor, octopi is considered incorrect.
- knome 1y agoIt is considered incorrect, but it also sounds nice and forms a part of a growing number of terms being pluralized using -i, radiating out from cacti, it seems. I expect this trend will continue.
- Tade0 1y agoIt doesn't sound nice to those who had at least a lick of Latin and Greek - so most Europeans. The Romans conquered the Greeks militarily, but the Greeks conquered the Romans culturally. Saying "octopi" indirectly attempts to not acknowledge that.
- v3ss0n 1y agoI used to spell octopuses but someone corrected me to use octopi , now we are back to octopuses or octopodes ?
- Nursie 1y agoI sometimes say octopods. Octopi is correct, in that it is an english language plural for octopus. It is not etymologically sound, certainly, as it's a latinate plural on a greek root. So anyone telling you that any other form is wrong and insuating that 'octopi' is more correct is certainly asking to be mocked. But as we don't really do '-podes' in english, and "Octopusses" is a bit of a mouthful, I think we can accept any and all as more or less equally cromulent.
- strken 1y agoWe still say "antipodes", and "gastropods" might count. Not to argue against this, I'm just wondering how many Greek -foot words I can think of.
- dmos62 1y agoI like to think that being able to recognize intelligence in others is an intelligence test for us, and same goes for recognizing civilization.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago> we would be seeing another intelligent civilization in earth Technically ants already have a civilization. (Tool use, farming, etc.) Turns out you don't need generalized intelligence for civilization.
- v3ss0n 1y agoTrue , but ant civilization requires evolutionary adaptations , instincts. For octopus they have hobbies , they have curiosity , they are inventive - not out of need for food or survival , but because that is something they are interested to do.
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago> evolutionary adaptations , instincts Not really. Ants analyze their environment and make decisions. They have some sort of psychological internal processes too - they can clearly experience stress and mental illness. (AFAIK if you keep ants as pets mental illness is realistically the only way to mistreat them. Everything else they can handle on their own if you provide a source of food and water.)
- v3ss0n 1y agoI agree, yeah ants are more than instincts and actual intelligence factor in them but the farming ant species have different evolutionary adaptation .
- jakeogh 1y agoMold – A Sci-Fi Short Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8URdhSigzjs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8URdhSigzjs