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> You are attacking the concept of marketing / advertising as a fundamental evil It is. Informing people about solutions to their problems is good, but adverti
by TFYS 1y ago
> You are attacking the concept of marketing / advertising as a fundamental evil
It is. Informing people about solutions to their problems is good, but advertising as it exists today is nothing more than manipulation in most cases.
> the idea that starving people existing negates the entire system we have which has proven to be successful
You said that capitalism has lifted all of humanity, but that is clearly not the case, not even in countries considered capitalist.
- monero-xmr 1y ago> You said that capitalism has lifted all of humanity, but that is clearly not the case, not even in countries considered capitalist. Yes, it absolutely has, and there is no example you can provide of a capitalist country providing a worse life than a non-capitalist country
- TFYS 1y agoIf people are still dying of hunger and preventable diseases in capitalist countries, then it has not lifted all of humanity. I wasn't saying some other system is doing better than capitalism, just that capitalism has not succeeded in bringing all of humanity out of absolute poverty. Anyway, just because capitalism is the best we've come up with so far doesn't mean we can't do better. Would you look at the fastest car today and say "there's no example of a faster car you can provide, therefore this is the fastest car there can ever be". No, we can do better, especially with the technology we now have.
- monero-xmr 1y agoCapitalism is not a designed system, it is an emergent phenomena. Even in the most restrictive, communist societies (North Korea) the black market is the primary way the common people don’t starve. As they accumulate wealth they continue to invest in their black market enterprises. There is no alternative to letting people trade, which results in successful traders accumulating more than others. That’s it. There is no other system because it goes against human nature
- TFYS 1y agoMarkets != capitalism. By limiting what can be owned and for what reason, we could get rid of capitalism without completely getting rid of markets. It'd be quite easy to prevent private ownership of land or large businesses without black markets for those things forming.
- monero-xmr 1y agoYour solution is to have the government restrict freedom at gunpoint. A solution with a long history of examples and attempts, of total failure
- TFYS 1y agoCapitalism relies on a government enforcing its rules just as much as any other system. How do you think someone can own businesses, buildings and large swathes of land? Because if someone tries to claim them as their own, the government will come and restrict their freedom to do so. We also quite successfully restrict ownership of people these days.
- piva00 1y agoGovernment by definition (at least through Hobbes' Leviathan) is the restriction of some freedoms through the monopoly of violence. It restricts your freedom of robbing others, of killing people, of not abiding by a contract, there are many "freedoms" you don't have that are necessary for society to function. As the other comment mentioned, markets != capitalism, capitalism is a specific system to exploit markets but it doesn't mean it's the best way that will ever be found to provide incentives to produce what society wants or needs.
- nec4b 1y ago>> It'd be quite easy to prevent private ownership of land or large businesses without black markets for those things forming. Quite impossible actually.
- int_19h 1y ago