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to save you a lookup: The Arabic text "رجمة نانسي قنقر" translates to English as: "Nancy Qanqar's translation" or "Translation by Nancy Qanqar" "رجمة" means "

by sivers 1y ago

to save you a lookup: The Arabic text "رجمة نانسي قنقر" translates to English as: "Nancy Qanqar's translation" or "Translation by Nancy Qanqar" "رجمة" means "translation" and "نانسي قنقر" is the name "Nancy Qanqar"

aprilthird2021 1y ago
And it seems to be because the training data is largely unofficial subtitles from movies. Which often have a string like "Translated by X" at the end of the movie which is often silent while credits roll.
- iqfareez 1y ago
  make sense..
- rob74 1y ago
  Looks like they used more official sources for German - there, silence is apparently hallucinated as "Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017" according to one of the comments on the issue. Which makes sense, as the public broadcasters' "Mediathek" is probably the largest freely available resource of subtitled videos in Germany. I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though?
  - bigiain 1y ago
    A more appropriate output might be ``4'33" -- John Cage, 1952``
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  - MrGilbert 1y ago
    > I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though? I am pretty sure they didn't get asked.
    - h784gljf 1y ago
      Just like the people forced to pay for ZDF under threat of imprisonment.
      - eclecticfrank 1y ago
        This person refers to the German television and radio fee (Rundfunkgebühren).[1] It is a state-mandated system that ensures free (as in free speech) and (relatively) neutral public broadcasting institutions. There is a constant and engaged discussion, because every household in Germany has to pay this fee. Exceptions are made only for low-income households. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_ZDF_Deutschlandradio_Beitragsservice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_ZDF_Deutschlandradio_Beitr...
        rob74 1y ago
        A constant discussion, lately fueled by extremist parties (AfD) who feel treated unfairly by (amongst others) the public broadcasters (which has parallels to Trump's recent campaign against public broadcasters in the US).
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        blueflow 1y ago
        Can't argue them - Tageschau always has been trashtalking people with the wrong opinion. Back in 2011, Tageeschau openly rallied against Muslims and wanting public broadcasting gone was a leftist position. The whole thing is completely asinine to anyone who remembers.
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        So, people are made pay for it, and it makes it fair if billion USD corporations don't?
      - TheBicPen 1y ago
        Just like any other public service paid for with public funds?
  - Zacharias030 1y ago
    definitely not! The media platform of the German public television networks is even geoblocking anyone outside of Germany. https://www.ardmediathek.de/ https://www.ardmediathek.de/
  - unusual-name 1y ago
    Most content from Funk (youtubers funded by public german broadcasters) is available on youtube without any geoblocking or other limitations.
    - layer8 1y ago
      I’m pretty sure that content doesn’t come with a license granting unlimited usage rights.
    - rob74 1y ago
      Ah, ok, thanks for the info, TIL! "We are funk – the first public service content network that started on October 1, 2016. We create online-only content on social networks and third-party platforms, including YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Spotify, Apple Music or Twitch for 14-29 year-olds." (https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/ https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/, scroll down for the English version). I live in Germany, and I even watch public broadcasters regularly, but this is the first time I have heard about funk (I even initially thought it was misspelled, usually it's written with a capital F). But I'm not part of the targeted audience (not now, nor even back in 2016 when it was launched), so all good...
    - darkwater 1y ago
      from the link[1] another user posted: > We have a public service mandate, which means that we have very clear responsibilities according to the state media treaty. For us, this means that our top priority is actually reaching our target audience, namely approximately 15 million people living in Germany between the age of 14 and 29 who have internet access It's not a binding contract for sure but I don't think that OpenAI or other AI scraper is their target. [1] https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/ https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/
  - aprilthird2021 1y ago
    > I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though? Obviously a rhetorical question. The AI grifters of this decade take what they want and laugh at your pitiful future
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- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  I'm sure they totally did not pirate the audio of said movies.
mormegil 1y ago
In Czech, Whisper usually transcribes music as "Titulky vytvořil JohnyX" ("subtitles made by JohnyX") for the same reason.
- actionfromafar 1y ago
  Haha, trained on torrented movies! :-D The MPA must be so proud.
  - Incipient 1y ago
    It's absolutely insane that these companies can't be held liable for what is obvious piracy.
    - jdiff 1y ago
      That's the magic of money. Download your favorite artist's discography for personal use? If the MPAA had its way (and it occasionally has), torrenting that could bankrupt you. The AI industry - soaking up every bit of media available online for commercial purposes, often reproducing it nearly identically - has enough money and capital to influence things its way. And only its way, in case anyone was hoping this might change anything at all for the little guy.
      - 1718627440 1y ago
        The movie industry also has some money and lobbying power. Surely this is a way larger threat than any single torrenter could ever be?
        jdiff 1y ago
        The fact that this is propping up the entire AI industry adds additional weight. When legislating or deciding court cases, some won't be willing to pop the cash cow, some will be worried about falling behind countries that don't enforce copyright evenly. IP owners are trying to go after the AI industry, with only mixed to poor success.
beshrkayali 1y ago
You've got a little typo, it's not "رجمة", it's "ترجمة" that means translation, the ت at the beginning is missing.

by sivers 1y ago

aprilthird2021 1y ago

And it seems to be because the training data is largely unofficial subtitles from movies. Which often have a string like "Translated by X" at the end of the movie which is often silent while credits roll.

iqfareez 1y ago
make sense..
rob74 1y ago
Looks like they used more official sources for German - there, silence is apparently hallucinated as "Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017" according to one of the comments on the issue. Which makes sense, as the public broadcasters' "Mediathek" is probably the largest freely available resource of subtitled videos in Germany. I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though?
- bigiain 1y ago
  A more appropriate output might be ``4'33" -- John Cage, 1952``
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
- MrGilbert 1y ago
  > I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though? I am pretty sure they didn't get asked.
  - h784gljf 1y ago
    Just like the people forced to pay for ZDF under threat of imprisonment.
    - eclecticfrank 1y ago
      This person refers to the German television and radio fee (Rundfunkgebühren).[1] It is a state-mandated system that ensures free (as in free speech) and (relatively) neutral public broadcasting institutions. There is a constant and engaged discussion, because every household in Germany has to pay this fee. Exceptions are made only for low-income households. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_ZDF_Deutschlandradio_Beitragsservice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARD_ZDF_Deutschlandradio_Beitr...
      - rob74 1y ago
        A constant discussion, lately fueled by extremist parties (AfD) who feel treated unfairly by (amongst others) the public broadcasters (which has parallels to Trump's recent campaign against public broadcasters in the US).
        deleted 1y ago
        [deleted]
        blueflow 1y ago
        Can't argue them - Tageschau always has been trashtalking people with the wrong opinion. Back in 2011, Tageeschau openly rallied against Muslims and wanting public broadcasting gone was a leftist position. The whole thing is completely asinine to anyone who remembers.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      So, people are made pay for it, and it makes it fair if billion USD corporations don't?
    - TheBicPen 1y ago
      Just like any other public service paid for with public funds?
- Zacharias030 1y ago
  definitely not! The media platform of the German public television networks is even geoblocking anyone outside of Germany. https://www.ardmediathek.de/ https://www.ardmediathek.de/
- unusual-name 1y ago
  Most content from Funk (youtubers funded by public german broadcasters) is available on youtube without any geoblocking or other limitations.
  - layer8 1y ago
    I’m pretty sure that content doesn’t come with a license granting unlimited usage rights.
  - rob74 1y ago
    Ah, ok, thanks for the info, TIL! "We are funk – the first public service content network that started on October 1, 2016. We create online-only content on social networks and third-party platforms, including YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, Spotify, Apple Music or Twitch for 14-29 year-olds." (https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/ https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/, scroll down for the English version). I live in Germany, and I even watch public broadcasters regularly, but this is the first time I have heard about funk (I even initially thought it was misspelled, usually it's written with a capital F). But I'm not part of the targeted audience (not now, nor even back in 2016 when it was launched), so all good...
  - darkwater 1y ago
    from the link[1] another user posted: > We have a public service mandate, which means that we have very clear responsibilities according to the state media treaty. For us, this means that our top priority is actually reaching our target audience, namely approximately 15 million people living in Germany between the age of 14 and 29 who have internet access It's not a binding contract for sure but I don't think that OpenAI or other AI scraper is their target. [1] https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/ https://presse.funk.net/das-ist-funk/
- aprilthird2021 1y ago
  > I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though? Obviously a rhetorical question. The AI grifters of this decade take what they want and laugh at your pitiful future
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4gotunameagain 1y ago
I'm sure they totally did not pirate the audio of said movies.

mormegil 1y ago

In Czech, Whisper usually transcribes music as "Titulky vytvořil JohnyX" ("subtitles made by JohnyX") for the same reason.

actionfromafar 1y ago
Haha, trained on torrented movies! :-D The MPA must be so proud.
- Incipient 1y ago
  It's absolutely insane that these companies can't be held liable for what is obvious piracy.
  - jdiff 1y ago
    That's the magic of money. Download your favorite artist's discography for personal use? If the MPAA had its way (and it occasionally has), torrenting that could bankrupt you. The AI industry - soaking up every bit of media available online for commercial purposes, often reproducing it nearly identically - has enough money and capital to influence things its way. And only its way, in case anyone was hoping this might change anything at all for the little guy.
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      The movie industry also has some money and lobbying power. Surely this is a way larger threat than any single torrenter could ever be?
      - jdiff 1y ago
        The fact that this is propping up the entire AI industry adds additional weight. When legislating or deciding court cases, some won't be willing to pop the cash cow, some will be worried about falling behind countries that don't enforce copyright evenly. IP owners are trying to go after the AI industry, with only mixed to poor success.

beshrkayali 1y ago

You've got a little typo, it's not "رجمة", it's "ترجمة" that means translation, the ت at the beginning is missing.