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Technically Tesla was the first major company globally starting a trend. Aka leading.

giantg2 1y ago
By that definition, we haven't been leading for years since the Chinese are cranking them out much faster than Tesla. What if we want to be a world leader in satellite internet coverage? Is that a goal you support? Because that's part of what these changes are about.
- Bluestein 1y ago
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  - mjamesaustin 1y ago
    This is exactly what the US did to Britain. One empire rises, another falls.
    - Bluestein 1y ago
      Granted, totally.- PS. See the down votes. Hi, 61398!
- testbjjl 1y ago
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  - datahack 1y ago
    That’s the kind of unkind and rather toxic comment I would expect on Reddit, not HN. Unimpressed.
    - aaomidi 1y ago
      This website is worse than Reddit. Lower your expectations.
      - datahack 1y ago
        That’s not the standard I’ve always had, and I’ve been here from the early days. You get the community we settle for.
      - pixelpoet 1y ago
        > Lower your expectations. No. And you'll find people more open to your wishes if you'd avoid the bossy imperative.
    - testbjjl 1y ago
      Do you think I wanted to impress you or anyone really? GP was beating a dead horse so I said something. Somehow you ended up caring. I’m almost certain there are better uses of your time. Certainly has no influence on my opinion. Honestly people who hold Hacker News like it’s sacred are exhausting. Your opinions and mine need not mix, just use your thumb to move on?
- mattgrice 1y ago
  By any definition has China not been leading? Socialism with chinese characteristics/ Xi Jinpeng thought is the most successful ideology currently. Free speech/free markets power has decayed since people found ways to exploit them and more powerful people found ways to aid the exploiters. The US is apparently powerless to exploit our own rare earth resources and fund/subsidize them or lithium production or photovoltaic production, nuclear reactors, or even semiconductor production. By any measure that is weak.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    > The US is apparently powerless to exploit our own rare earth resources The DOD took a direct stake in a US rare earth miner / refiner, in addition to a long term purchase agreement at set prices. Apple also piled on last week (no doubt after some backroom conversations). https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/10/pentagon-to-become-largest-shareholder-in-rare-earth-magnet-maker-mp-materials.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/10/pentagon-to-become-largest-s...
stingraycharles 1y ago
Yeah agreed, Tesla showed the world it was possible, but they seem to be failing to maintain their leadership position.
- bigbuppo 1y ago
  Cut their CEO some some slack. He's a thought leader/rocket mogul/ISP guy/social media but wants to make it a bank for some reason dude/former government sort-of-official/professional gamer/full time twitter shitposter that's also starting a political party and who is responsible for fathering over a dozen children. On second thought, I think I see the problem.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Technically Tesla was the first major company globally starting a trend And China’s dominance in LFP is based on its acquisition of A123’s IP out of bankruptcy [1]. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20130131031501/http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/AONEQ.PK/key-developments/article/2682498 https://web.archive.org/web/20130131031501/http://www.reuter...
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GoblinSlayer 1y ago
That's pioneer.

By that definition, we haven't been leading for years since the Chinese are cranking them out much faster than Tesla. What if we want to be a world leader in satellite internet coverage? Is that a goal you support? Because that's part of what these changes are about.

Bluestein 1y ago
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- mjamesaustin 1y ago
  This is exactly what the US did to Britain. One empire rises, another falls.
  - Bluestein 1y ago
    Granted, totally.- PS. See the down votes. Hi, 61398!
testbjjl 1y ago
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- datahack 1y ago
  That’s the kind of unkind and rather toxic comment I would expect on Reddit, not HN. Unimpressed.
  - aaomidi 1y ago
    This website is worse than Reddit. Lower your expectations.
    - datahack 1y ago
      That’s not the standard I’ve always had, and I’ve been here from the early days. You get the community we settle for.
    - pixelpoet 1y ago
      > Lower your expectations. No. And you'll find people more open to your wishes if you'd avoid the bossy imperative.
  - testbjjl 1y ago
    Do you think I wanted to impress you or anyone really? GP was beating a dead horse so I said something. Somehow you ended up caring. I’m almost certain there are better uses of your time. Certainly has no influence on my opinion. Honestly people who hold Hacker News like it’s sacred are exhausting. Your opinions and mine need not mix, just use your thumb to move on?
mattgrice 1y ago
By any definition has China not been leading? Socialism with chinese characteristics/ Xi Jinpeng thought is the most successful ideology currently. Free speech/free markets power has decayed since people found ways to exploit them and more powerful people found ways to aid the exploiters. The US is apparently powerless to exploit our own rare earth resources and fund/subsidize them or lithium production or photovoltaic production, nuclear reactors, or even semiconductor production. By any measure that is weak.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  > The US is apparently powerless to exploit our own rare earth resources The DOD took a direct stake in a US rare earth miner / refiner, in addition to a long term purchase agreement at set prices. Apple also piled on last week (no doubt after some backroom conversations). https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/10/pentagon-to-become-largest-shareholder-in-rare-earth-magnet-maker-mp-materials.html https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/10/pentagon-to-become-largest-s...

stingraycharles 1y ago

Yeah agreed, Tesla showed the world it was possible, but they seem to be failing to maintain their leadership position.

bigbuppo 1y ago
Cut their CEO some some slack. He's a thought leader/rocket mogul/ISP guy/social media but wants to make it a bank for some reason dude/former government sort-of-official/professional gamer/full time twitter shitposter that's also starting a political party and who is responsible for fathering over a dozen children. On second thought, I think I see the problem.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Technically Tesla was the first major company globally starting a trend And China’s dominance in LFP is based on its acquisition of A123’s IP out of bankruptcy [1]. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20130131031501/http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/AONEQ.PK/key-developments/article/2682498 https://web.archive.org/web/20130131031501/http://www.reuter...

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GoblinSlayer 1y ago

That's pioneer.